Yeah but Brave? Why not Firefox or Vivaldi.
Well the Brave Twitter account is likely a bit biased toward the Brave browser. 🙂
I’m sure the others were impacted too.
Edit: Firefox installs jumped 50%.
Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can’t say I’d recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.
We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.
Remember kids, if it’s Chromium based, it’s still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don’t let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.
The worrisome thing is that there’s no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.
We must defend Firefox at all costs, it’s the last glimmer of freedom.
Every single other browser is Chromium.
One exception I’m aware of: GNOME Web (aka epiphany-browser) uses WebKitGTK, which is based on Apple’s WebKit rather than Google’s Chromium/Blink. But it’s Linux desktops first and foremost. Not on mobile platforms, not exactly intended for Windows (might be usable with Cygwin/WSL) or macOS (seems to be on MacPorts) either, and even on non-GNOME desktops like KDE it might seem a bit out of place.
I daily drive Firefox but Epiphany is my first choice fallback on the rare occasion I encounter a site that’s broken on Firefox.
True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it’s like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.
Firefox +50% in Germany, +30% in France
Still better than Edge or Chrome
Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I’m switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.
I don’t like that you can’t use the Dark Reader extension on mobile in Vivaldi. I like all of my websites to be dark.
I guess it does have a built in dark mode
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Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.
That’s because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it’s HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn’t they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?
I wouldn’t be sure because of how stupid Apples compliance is. But if they do I would definitely switch. I guess it’s just going to be Firefox focus until then.
Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I’m human. For example it has “private relay” which is similar to TOR* so trackers don’t even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don’t block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic… so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can’t track you
99.99% of the Safari’s code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.
It’s not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.
(* if anything, it’s better than TOR… with that service there’s a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it’s always one of Apple’s servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you… maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can’t)
Private relay is more like a VPN than tor.
I mean they did say few. Generally speaking, every browser is basically safari (WebKit) on iOS and apple doesn’t allow support for 3rd party browser extensions (least natively, Orion supports this somehow). So you’re already limited in that regard. If you don’t use safari , a browser like FF + VPN is IMO a better experience. You also have the option of just using wireguard and controlling your traffic at home/VPS if you’re into that.
WebKit might be open source but the browser deployed by apple is not. That’s like saying chrome is open source. They both use open source engines.
it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.
You have this backwards. Google showing you captchas is basically them saying they can’t match your browser to any know (shadow) profile they have already stored. So they aren’t sure you are a human and if so which one specifically. Getting harassed with a captcha is essentially like a badge of honour for your browsers privacy settings.
No they don’t, that’s exactly what they said. Safari makes them do CAPTCHAs so it is the most privacy friendly. It is true that it has better blocking features than Firefox on iOS (because Firefox doesn’t have extensions).
Oh you are right, I misread that. Thanks for pointing it out.
No problem
Vivaldi is proprietary bullcrap. I don’t know why people keep sucking their dick
Cause Firefox is trash and Mozilla a shell of their former selves?
Also it’s so liberating to speak your mind without caring what some scrub with his sweaty fingers on the downvote button thinks
firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it’s too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat
Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.
I wouldn’t say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn’t support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren’t problems with FireFox, it’s more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn’t work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that’s FireFox’s fault.
I’ve used edge before my university disabled profile syncing (only reason I was using it, to be honest). Edge was fine. Switched to Firefox just to see how it is nowadays, never looked back. Honestly, can’t think of any extension I’m missing. Got quite a few myself, but probably not the same niche as you.
So far I haven’t encountered broken websites yet. Fingers crossed to keep it that way. Though I’ll probably steer clear of such a website unless absolutely necessary.
Granted, I’m a software engineer,
Lmao love how you inserted “software engineer” there like that supposed to mean something.
In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.
I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.
every site i use is slow af in librewolf (basically firefox) and also uses a lot of resources more than chromium based browsers
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Brave is garbage. It’s a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)
I can’t say I disagree, I’ve long abandoned it on my PC.
But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I’m still using it on my phone.
But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone
It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.
On Android you can use Firefox + uBlock Origin now
I just used YouTube revanced and set default YouTube links to go there
Las time I could not watch youtube vids in the background in firefox.
I also had trouble getting files that download multiple files at once to work on firefox.
Unfortunately brave has the best desktop layout when using Samsung DeX.
Better than Kiwi?
Oh, haven’t tried that one. I have just experienced the awful aspect ratio on Firefox.
Brave on iOS is one of the more legitimate ways of getting an ad blocker
Firefox has adblockers on mobile
Firefos add-ons don’t work on iOS, I literally just googled it to ensure I was informed before writing what you wrote.
I see. Another reaffirmation in my choice to not use iphone.
Check out Orion! Firefox and Chrime add on support.
Edit: Also like Vivaldi. If you want device wide I can highly recommend NextDNS
I’ve been using Safari + AdGuard for a while and I don’t remember seeing any ad.
whats wrong with chromium?
It allows Google to continue controlling the Internet.
Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.
And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.
The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don’t even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.
That graph is trash. The baseline needs to be at zero.
That graph hurts my data scientist heart
Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I’m genuinely curious.
This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5 while it is not the case when looking at the raw numbers.
Any variation can look impressive if you zoom enough, that’s why you need a baseline at 0. This way you see thé entire scale of the phenomenon
This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5
How so? It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.
It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.
Yes but the graph goes from 2 rectangles above the bottom line to 8 rectangles above the bottom line in that final surge.
So visually, it looks like it has quadrupled.
No it doesn’t.
It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It’s not a scientific paper.
It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That’s significant enough to shout about.
Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That’s huge.
Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue…AY!
It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph
But you don’t get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
The graph height increases by 300% in the last3 months9 days.You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
A 0.001 difference on a 0.004 total would be worth showing.
That was a bad example. Try 1,000,000 moving up to 1,000,069.
I’m sticking with relevance. A >25% rise is what we’re talking about.
A 25% raise would show up with the y shits at zero. As would any significant increase.
True.
I mean sure I guess… but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don’t trust their bullshit at all.
After all who doesn’t want a crypto wallet in their browser? that’s the safest place for it right?
I guess if you have no experience with it then that’s a perfect response. Meanwhile I’ve got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I’d be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That’s money they didn’t have so they are fine with that.
I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.
I’m seeing a lot of down votes but no counter arguments.
I’ve been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don’t remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.
Android is a fenced garden compared to the fortress that is iOS.
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I’m pretty sure the term jailbreak comes from the term “jail” being used on FreeBSD, which iOS is based on, which is an application sandboxing tool, therefore, a “jailbreak” is a method to escape that sandbox and gain elevated permissions to the system.
iOS being a jail is a pretty apt analogy, regardless, though.
I guess, but it’s like a 2 foot high fence
Did the same on iOS… not a huge difference. Download app from store, set as default.
On iOS the browser isn’t really Firefox. It’s just a re-skinned Safari due to apples rules. I think now they are allowed to ship their own engines
They are but it’s not ready AFAIK https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872
Can’t wait to use it though and be able to install WebExtensions.
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I have been using Firefox as the default browser on my iPhone for a while now. It wasn’t complicated to setup either.
Same here but it’s not Firefox with its own Engine, it’s a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple’s restriction.
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There are a bunch of apps that strictly require Chrome for their in-app custom tabs, though. I have to re-install Chrome on occasion because I can’t log into apps without it. Also, having Chrome installed at all makes it impossible to NOT set a default browser (i.e. to have it ask every time), which is what I prefer since I use several different browsers for different use cases. (Note: this is on Pixel. Never had that problem on my older phones.)
While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
Including that some features are optional.
Still wouldn’t touch Brave Browser due to their past crypto shenanigans.
Please forgive my ignorance. Can’t you shut that shit off? Does shenanigans still apply?
They apply after you shut them off
I hate how they cut off the graph…
Yeah, that graph is sus af
At least it’s drawn to scale, but yeah I get it. Starting at 7k probably makes it easier to read.
They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.
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That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy
It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero
Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.
The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.
No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.
We are not talking about Apple graph madness
Not really, no. You use a point of reference that’s clearly labeled. If you’d start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.
Misleading graph trying to make a 150% increase look like a 1000% increase.
that’s a ~40% increase looking like a 300% increase
Read the left side? 7k-11k, the removed useless information, provided you read what is actually there first.
Welcome to the transparency of Brave !
That doesn’t surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I’m all for more neutrality, I’ll just add 2 shower thoughts:
- Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it’s at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
- It’s nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
Cool icon? iOS users? Surely not!
The position is randomized.
I’m so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn’t know what the green line represented.
I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.
Arguably soured from the very beginning depending on how much you care about the CEO financially supporting a bill to strip gay people of their right to marry, plus supporting a politician who said that AIDS is good because it cleanses the earth of gay people.
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After you install the 17.4 update or when setting up the phone it’ll ask what browser you want as your deafult. Before this and still in other countries you have to manually search and download a browser and set it as the default.
I was a bit confused too. So all that’s changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?
yes, because the average user doesn’t even know there are different browsers, and that they can change the default one, which is great to “vendor lock” your own browser, in this case Safari from iOS
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Gotcha, but even in that case, what’s convincing most of those average users from picking a different browser? The logo? “Ooh pretty lion?”
Hell you dealing with iPhone users here, they barely know that the device they use in this technically a computer. You’ve got to basically spoon feed them basic stuff like other browsers exist.
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I used to work for Apple technical support and the stupidity of your average Apple user drive me up the wall, it’s left me with a very negative view of their clientele.
My favorite was the person that threatened to sue me personally because he had dropped his iPhone on a glass table and it had broken the glass table and the iPhone. And he was mad that Apple wouldn’t cover his costs.
Hurry USA! Better find some smallish company to sue for anti trust instead of working on any real issues like this
