Why would we believe the promises of the ones who ruined the primary utility of their core product in the first place, and convinced or blackmailed the rest of the internet to take part in the ruination ? An advertising corporation will tell us to put cyanide on our pizza if it makes them an extra buck this quarter, and google is worse than that. Profit despite the social costs is doing no evil /s
“Don’t be evil”
Shit writes itself.
That was removed as their motto in 2015, following a restructuring of Google as a subsidiary of Alphabet.
I said it back then and I’ll say it again: Calling your mega corporation “Alphabet” sounds hella distopian
Gee, what other organizations are called Alphabet agencies, bureaus, or depatments?
Except it’s still in their writing, just not front and center like it was before, right?
They changed it to “Do the right thing” which literally makes it less original but more importantly, more pliable, “do the right thing… for ‘google’.”
Im shure the CEO is “doing the right thing… for his wallet”
The answer received for the pizza glue query appears to be based on a comment from a user named “fucksmith” in a more than decade-old Reddit thread, and they’re clearly joking.
Lol. And this is Google, the company that has spent decades engineering ways to sift good information from bad on the internet.
In that process they went through a full circle of first establishing and then gradually reducing it’s usability and the health of the web itself. Their sometimes obscure ranking of pages enabled SEO, then AI written articles and now they try to replace the need to click on any site at all with THAT. A very interesting saga.
I kind of assumed it was based on one of those ‘how they photograph food’ articles that pops up every so often with shaving cream instead of whip cream and motor oil instead of pancake syrup. Pretty sure I’ve seen one where they mix glue in the pizza cheese to make it more stringy.
But why does it have to be non toxic if you’re not going to eat it?
They figured out that they make much more money just pandering ads and lying how they are related to people’s interests than they would make when actually providing an invaluable service to humankind. Now, instead of information, we are stuck with paid-for results and SEO-optimized keyword spammers that want a crumb of that cake. I think the free market calls this “innovation” or some shit.
… aren’t representative of most people’s experiences.
Every AI “answer” I’ve gotten from Google is factually incorrect, often ludicrously so.
Yep, same here. Whereas ChatGPT and Perplexity would tell me it didn’t know the answer to my question, Bard/Gemini would confidently hallucinate some bullshit.
Really? Like what? I’ve always had ChatGPT give confident answers. I haven’t tried to stump it with anything really technical though.
I tried asking deeply technical questions and got confidently incorrect responses.
I’ve asked moderately technical questions and was confidently given wrong information. That said, it’s right far more often than copilot. I haven’t used Google for quite some time
Huh, I’ve found The GitHub Copilot better. You still can’t trust it when it talks about APIs, though. Or anything else really - you have to keep your wits about you. I use it for suggestions on where to start with things, or for testing my assumptions, or for generating boilerplate code, but not for copying and pasting anything critical.
I try ChatGPT and others once every month to see if they improve my programming experience. Yesterday I got fake functions that do no exist, again. I’ll try next month.
That happens all the time. ChatGPT did offer a decent solution for my GUI recently tho and suggested a layout manager I haven’t used before and didn’t even know about.
You’re doing it wrong IMO. ChatGPT 4.0 is freakin’ amazing at helping on coding task, you just need to learn what to ignore and how to adjust the prompt when you’re not getting the results you want. Akin to the skillet of googling for programming solutions (or any solution), it gets easier with practice.
I hate to say it but, I have to agree. GPT4 is a significant improvement over GPT3. I needed to use a Python library for something that was meant to be a small, simple CLI app. It turned into something bigger and accumulated technical debt. Eventually, I was having problems that were niche and hard to trace, even with logging and all the other approaches.
I eventually said fuck it, and so I threw a shit tonne of my code into it, explaining what I was doing, how I was doing it, why I wasn’t doing it another way, and what I expected vs the actual result. Sometimes it suggests something that is on the right path or is entirely spot on. Other times, it thinks it knows better than you, to which you tell yourself it isn’t, because you tried all its suggestions, and then you realise something that would technically allow GPT to say, “I told you so”, but out of spite you just close the tab until the next issue.
For practical tasks, GPT has come pretty far. For technical ones, it is hit or miss, but it can give you some sound advice in place of a solution, sometimes.
I had another issue involving Matplotlib, converting to and from coordinate systems, and having plots that had artifacts due to something not quite right. The atan2 function catches many people out, but I’m experienced enough to know better… Well, normally. In this particular case, it was a complex situation and I could not reason why the result was distorted. Spending hours with GPT4 lead me in circles. Sometimes it would tell me to do things I just said I did, or that I said don’t work. Then, I say to it, “what if we represent this system of parametric equations as a single complex-valued function, instead of dealing with Cartesian to polar conversations?”. Then it would zip up a whole lot of math (related to my problem). The damn thing handed me a solution and a half. In theory, it was a great solution. In practice, my code is illiterate, so it doesn’t care.
All in all, while it failed to help me solve my issue, it was able to reason and provide feedback to a wide range of challenges. Sometimes it needed prompting to change the trajectory it intends to follow, and this is the part you need to learn as a skill. Until these LLMs are more capable of thinking for themselves. Give it time.
I asked about a plot point that I didn’t understand in a TV series old enough to be in an LLM’s knowledge. Chatgpt and Perplexity both said they couldn’t find any discussions or explanations online for my particular question.
Bard/Gemini gave several explanations, all of them featuring characters, locations, and situations from the show, but confidently bullshit and definitely impossible in the story’s world.
First I was surprised they rolled it out already, then of how bad it was. I knew of Google’s AI blunders from their faked reveals but I didn’t think they‘d actually roll them out in this state. They really just want to turn the internet into the next TV where you don‘t really get to choose when you get to see what exactly and they‘re willing to crash and burn themselves by doing so if they must. Insanity.
They wouldn’t need to ‘improve’ their search experience if they never enshittified the results page like 10 years ago.
C’mon. It’s non toxic glue. Suck it up and follow the directions. /s
Well its non toxic so its clearly edible, maybe, so fucksmith could have a valid point. I can not wait untill someone tries out the glue on pizza recipe!
Glue isnt toxic, but is it flammable?
It solves the problem of toppings falling off and staining clothes.
Egg white is pretty good, non toxic, non flammable glue.
Tbf organic culinary glue is very much a thing. But with pizza I have no idea why, it’s mostly used in fancy Michelin gastronomy to keep complex, small dishes together.
They’re trying to compete with open AI which they shouldn’t be… They’re a marketing firm with a search engine.
Maybe the problem is a lot of their marketing relies on the dominance of their search engine (ie sponsored search results, and ads based on user searches, as well as tracking user web usage via their search click throughs and other cookies). If open ai’s products become the go to for questions and basic searches, they will eventually be able to use that dominance to include marketing results in their answers. I think this threat is why they want to try to compete with them to be able to offer an alternative. Because it doesn’t actually have to be better than chat gpt. It just has to be similar enough for people to continue using Google rather than change their habits to use chatgpt, or Microsoft’s implementations of it. Especially with windows 11 where copilot (basically Microsoft rebrand of chatgpt) is built in and you can use it from the task bar. That ease of use may steadily decrease people’s reliance on Google search, which will eventually hurt their ability to sell targeted ads.
The company has taken action against violations of its policies, she said
What does this mean in this context? Send takedown notices to people who joke on the Internet?
The fucksmith post in question has been removed by moderators, so I wonder if Google really is pressuring Reddit to remove jokes from their platform now. This person had no idea their shit post would be used to train AI over a decade later, and they certainly weren’t violating any policies when they posted it. It’s like nobody involved in this process knew anything about Reddit.
Pay $60 million to train on bad data.
Implement AI trained on bad data.
Panic when the AI returns bad answers.
Manually remove bad data.
Profit??Edit: it was removed when I checked yesterday, but it looks like they restored it.
So we should add /s to a random subset of correct and helpful answers?
No we should just replace all helpful answers with “drink glue”
No, poison the idiots.
Was that Woosh intentional?
Sounds like Google wants to get out of the search engine business. Maybe we should help them. Try DuckDuckGo. Or SearX
DDG’s results have been absolute garbage for me for the past few months. About half of the time I have to go to Google to get the results I actually need.
You’re getting downvotes because we all want it to succeed… It hasn’t been great for me.
I do use Yandex sometimes, especially if I’m searching for a torrent or streaming show or something since they don’t seem to care about filtering pirated stuff. But in general the results seem better than DDG.
Yes I know it’s Russian or whatever. Oh well.
Same. I’ve really wanted DDG to work, but it’s a crapshoot. I set it as default on my phone with the intention of putting it on my laptop later after I finished a project for work, but phase 2 never happened because the results started to tank.
Just FYI, SearX is dead. Long live SearXNG
Flavour your glue people!
I like to melt a little pecorino into my glue, the salty sharpness really complements the glue flavor
i look forward to seeing this suggestion in shitty google ai overviews in the future.
Stupid IA sniffed all the good glue instead of putting it on its pizza.
The internet and technology moved on. We reached a point where google is obsolete. Google decided to cancel any product they had, that was not as successful as their ads space and now they have nothing else left. Is there even one service left that google is leading in? Maybe chromium browser and that’s it. Yet one can easily switch to Firefox right now.
I guess they are leading in E-Mail? Whatever that is worth I am not sure. And Youtube is pretty much toe to toe with TikTok so they have that going for them which is nice. But yeah they’ve done a pretty bad job at making themselves indispensable. If anything they‘re looking far more dispensable than ever. Still huge, but their future is rather uncertain.
Their integrated drive+mail+docs+forms+… cloud system is not the first or maybe the best one out there, but it’s very popular and I like it more than the competition for some of their key decisions. More obscure things are their accessible API anyone can use, some free computing power they provide for experiments, their analytics system for marketing, and their benchmarks of how fast the page loads being a standard. There’s probably Scholar somewhere here but I haven’t used it. Android gets installed everywhere even if it’s unreasonable. Search is their major brand, but they have fingers in many buckets.
At this point their biggest product is probably Android. That’s a bigger marketshare than Microsoft’s and Apple’s put together. Yes, they’re fucking up now, but the battle is still theirs to lose.
Copilot gives a four step solution then finishes with “glue is not the answer”.
Why does this company suck at AI even more than the other companies? Android has had machine learning for years already.
uh oh!
The future lawsuits, I can see them already, and they will be wild.
people will die
[REVERSAL OF FORTUNE]
- “Please enter your public confidence score”
- …
- “Score not accepted, sending code to last lawsuit device”
- …
- “Your corporate charter cannot be found. This is an isolated, ‘one-of-a-kind occurrence’ that has never before occurred. Please try making another Business.”
