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The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/wish-u-well on 2024-07-27 02:37:53+00:00.
Honey wake up, it’s the weekly miracle battery tech!
But now it’s actually being produced and put into products.
Sweet, I’ve been thinking about getting another EV. Which one is it in? I’ve got some time to go do test drives this weekend.
They said it would be in Lexus first if you read the article. There are power banks on the market with solid state batteries today if you like.
Hmm the only Lexus EVs I see sold around me only have 220 miles of range.
Not sure if you’re joking but
Both Toyota and Samsung have vowed to begin mass solid-state battery production in 2027, and Toyota, too, advised that it will be installing them in premium electric cars under the Lexus brand first.
From the article.
I was responding to the comment that said “But now it’s actually being produced and put into products.”
Toyota is notorious for putting out FUD when it comes to EVs. They bet on hydrogen and missed the boat with EVs - and it shows. To prevent people from buying EVs from their competitors, they’ve been promoting new miracle battery tech for a while now. Why buy a Hyundai with 300 miles of range when a Toyota with 600 miles of range is just around the corner?
The fact of the matter is they’re not producing these batteries right now in a car that you or I can buy. When the top comment joked about new battery tech being out, it’s because there’s a new article about this every other day. Toyota doesn’t want you to buy an EV right now, so expect articles like this for years to come.
Why buy a Hyundai with 300 mile range? Because it’s available today. And if I’m concerned enough about missing out on upcoming tech, Hyundai/Kia have good lease terms that give you the option of buying out or trading up at the end if the tech improves that much by then.
But yeah, I’m still annoyed with them championing hydrogen that hard when it was super easy to see how limited it would be compared to BEV for general purpose commuting, and how much easier the infrastructure would be to start up (a small amount of BEV infra will easily support a small amount of BEVs, but a small amount of hydrogen infra will support basically nothing at all since you can’t refill at home)
Not only that but they are actually shipping batches to automakers for testing already.
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How about phones? Surely Samsung would put their own new battery tech in their own phones right?
Where would you drive in your phone, bro? Don’t be silly.
Based on the article they are more expensive than li-ion batteries (for now), so probably not yet. And the article doesn’t mention anything about this, but I imagine there would be scaling issues.
Do you know how big and heavy that phone would be with a car battery in it?
yeah but imagine the screen size though
A couple of these would be perfect for my flight sim!
You can even take it with you on the train!
If it doesn’t fold into eighths I’m not interested
Especially if the battery is 600 miles long like the title says.
I don’t think solid state batteries provide as much benefit in smaller devices.
Size constrains probably.
SSB can be a quite a lot denser compared to existing ones. Up to 2.5x if I recall correctly. Also less flammable. Edit: consider -> compared
Wow! A battery that can magically transport itself 600 miles! What a world we live in!
Or, you know, it’s a no sense claim with made up numbers.
I have been seeing multiple battery tech claims per week, ever week, for the past 30 years and well over 99% of the claims are bull. Dumb claims like this battery goes 600 miles" tells you all you need to know.
Show me the money, then we’ll talk
That sounds like an excessively large battery.
According to Samsung SDI’s VP, automakers are interested in its solid-state battery packs because they are smaller, lighter, and much safer than what’s in current electric cars. Apparently, they are also rather expensive to produce, since it warns that they will first go into the “super premium” EV segment of luxury electric cars that can cover more than 600 miles on a charge.
Apparently not, though this is all marketing speak
We are almost there. Doesn’t the average internal combustion engine car go something like 600 to 1000 miles on a tank of fuel? If so just a little bit more and the “range anxiety” argument will no longer be valid.
No, it’s more like 3-400. The key point here is not the range, but the charging time
Who’s car is only going 3 miles on a tank?
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Who’s going -397 miles?
Indeed, I had a BMW that when it got 250 miles I was happy!
It’s more like 300-500 miles per tank
Ah, so this actually be better than ICE in range, but time to charge will be the next challenge to tackle.
I honestly think both of those “arguments” are stupid anyway, given that you can charge it at home daily. I doubt anyone driving an ICE car empties anything close to their entire fuel tank in a single day.
Only when we’re road tripping and the 20 mins every couple of hours is all our bladders can take anyway.
Just a matter of faster charging, takes me maybe 5-10 minutes to fill up and pay, would take a lot longer for an EV. Certainly not an issue if every accommodation had charging points, as I’d then be unlikely to need a full charge during the day.
And yes, for regular day to day driving I would just charge at home, as I’m fortunate to have a garage. Not the case for many folks, sadly.
Definitely great news, and it’s looking good that my next car will be an EV.
One car I had I could just about reach 600 miles if driving carefully on the highway. That was a diesel with a large tank. No other car I’ve had did better. My first car has a 300 mile range.
I might tap the center of that if I was doing near 100% highway, hypermiling and ran out the tank. But typically 300-500 in either of mine and I drive about 20 miles a day maximum.
