• Concerns rise as Neuralink fails to provide evidence of brain implant success, raising safety and transparency questions.
• Controversy surrounds Neuralink’s lack of data on surgical capabilities and alarming treatment of monkeys with brain implants.
• While Neuralink touts achievements, experts question true innovation and highlight developments in other brain implant projects.
Finally some news about the first human trial.
The part about them not issuing regular progress reports since day 1 (a month or so ago) is, how these doctors put it, concerning.
Apart from that, I think jumping from monkeys to human experiments when the success rate is low feels either rush work or some high person in charge decided to go all-or-nothing.
or some high person in charge decided to go all-or-nothing
I don’t see what Elon’s drug use and increasingly irratic decision-making have to to with this.
“move fast and break
thingspeople”Agreed. And seems wild to allow that kind of coercion from powerful people to move into the human body stage without air tight everything.
I think it is unethical to test this technology on anyone who does not consent. It is too invasive and damaging. Our testing framework should be revised for brain interfaces.
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Damn, and no.
I love how no one is ever going to start calling it “X” because it’s just dumb. It will forever be “X-formerly-Twitter”.
That was my thought when I started reading the piece. “Are we just going to call it XFT?”
You know you can just use twitter anyway, right?
Nobody wants to use Twitter.
I’ve been online since the days of dialup and never signed up for a Twitter account. It’s just not worthy of my time
Been here since Europe got flooded with AOL CDs, same.
AOL CDs? You mean those cd-shaped cup coasters?
Sure, but that disregards the fact that it’s owned by a fascist prick.
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I really wonder about the Doctors associated with this. How are they squaring things with their Hippocratic oath? This just seems really close to the ethical line, maybe over it. Nothing about how musk is treating this surprises me. But is everyone working on this also an unethical twat? Kind of scary to think that might be true.
In 1973 the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the Hippocratic Oath saying it didn’t cover the latest developments in medical practice.
I’m just… gonna go scream into a pillow in the corner now.
The Hippocratic Oath is not a legally binding oath, and many doctors are not required to take this oath or any oath for that matter. Basically, at the end of the day, oaths only matter to the people who have the strength of character to hold to them no matter the cost and most people do not have that strength of character. Oaths mean nothing to those people when it comes down to it, it’s just a thing that you said once, nothing more.
Oh I know all that, but still…
Can’t wait to see the medical drama where one doctor says “you took an oath, god dammt!” And for the other to reply “nope”
There are way less extreme example of doctors just fucking things up for a bag of money.
And more in general, humans. Imagine if Clarence Thomas had taken medicine instead of law when he was young
But is everyone working on this also an unethical twat? Kind of scary to think that might be true
People with the Power to do cruel things always find cruel people to do their bidding. Especially when they can justify it with science or it’s “for the better of humanity”. Even if every rational out stander is horrified by their doings.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there somehow were a cover-up of safety and efficacy of these devices.
Ethics only matters when there’s an effort to enforce it. The Hippocratic oath is just a reason your employer can fire you for making risky decisions. It means nothing if nobody holds you to it.
If you’re a doctor working for Neuralink, nobody will expect anything of you but to push the project forward as quickly as possible. For years you only work with monkeys, and when they do finally put a human in the O.R. it’s someone who signed away all their rights and accepted all risks to install experimental brain chips. At that moment, that human patient becomes the single most important subject in the entire experiment.
Of course you do it. You’re getting paid more money than you ever have in your life to do it, and the entire system is designed to protect you so long as you do what the boss says.
People are still people. Doctors are just as susceptible to compromising their ethics as everyone else, the only difference is that they probably have a higher bribe threshold.
Well, it’s possible that it was a robot doctor, kinda doubt they took a Hippocratic oath
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Stupid article as it implies that doctors are concerned for a specific reason related to the subject’s health but it’s just background about this shitty experiment and how it can be dangerous. Regardless, I can’t believe someone volunteered for this and am unfortunately expecting documented issues in the future.
Remember how they couldn’t get the cyber truck to not rust? Or the bullet proof windows to work? Or how the milage for most Tesla’s was impossible, so people thought their cars were broken, and instead of either confessing or fixing the mileage they created an elaborate scheme to cancel appointment so people couldn’t get their batteries looked at? These are the people you trusted to put a chip in your brain…
I’m not using it, might as well sacrifice for the good of the many
That’s fine, but this ain’t it. There are many stories of important and heroic acts of medical martyrdom, but they all share one important thread: the scientists involved knew what they were doing. This, this isn’t that. Another dead won’t improve anything here, it’ll just result in unnecessary pain.
Yeah, I support mmi, not necessarily neuralink. None of the others get the recognition, and therefore funding, to make any real progress though.
I think it would be a lot more reasonable to expect undocumented issues. They have a lot to lose and it’s controlled by a billionaire. As if they’re not going to try to cover it up.
They will try to cover it up for sure. IMO Either it will “silently end” after myriad health issues or there will be big public exposures.
i’d do it for money. Not much to fuck up with my brain
If my option was never move again and this would let me control a computer then I wouldn’t care about the risk
The results are in. You now feel as if you are constantly moving. You aren’t, but it sure feels that way. Forever.
I’m sure the guy who had a pig heart transplant thought similar. He died less than a year after.
So the gov wants to claim the FDA did not regulate mifepristone hard enough, but this is perfectly fine. What a world.
“The government” doesn’t want to argue that. Some idiot politicians do.
The courts gave the idiots an injunction, so while you are right they are not exactly claiming it, they are claiming it is likely true.
And the courts are (a part) of the gvt last time I checked.
I still can’t forget the Monkeys.
JFC
Additional veterinary reports show the condition of a female monkey called “Animal 15” during the months leading up to her death in March 2019. Days after her implant surgery, she began to press her head against the floor for no apparent reason; a symptom of pain or infection, the records say. Staff observed that though she was uncomfortable, picking and pulling at her implant until it bled, she would often lie at the foot of her cage and spend time holding hands with her roommate. Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers. Her condition deteriorated for months until the staff finally euthanized her. A necropsy report indicates that she had bleeding in her brain and that the Neuralink implants left parts of her cerebral cortex “focally tattered.”
So they fuckin shredded the poor girl’s brain.
Damn… I’ve heard that it was bad but I’ve never read it until now…
;-;
Wait til you find out about animal testing at large.
Fall of the house of usher shit 💔
The subject is hunched over and drooling inside a padded cell, mumbling “we hope this email finds you well”, over, and over, and over again…
Yeah, I wouldn’t want monkeylink in my head if it was done by musk’s people. I’d rather have an expert neurosurgeon and the ones I know, who work in deep brain stimulation, they wrote off neuralink as bad tech a decade ago.
Writing off a huge research project you know nothing about before it’s even started is a clear sign that their opinion is worthless.
Musk has hired incredibly well educated people, I don’t blame you for hating him but that doesn’t tarnish the quality of anyone else
Educated does not mean skilled.
No but they’re also very skilled, look at who’s on the team they’re incredibly well respected in their fields.
You hate Elon that’s fine, it doesn’t mean everyone even tangentially related to anything with his name attached is bad.
You’re just making stuff up now
Does this remind anyone else of Theranos?
Somewhat, but theranos at least didn’t do brain surgery. This is theranos with far higher stakes
And way more obviously vaporware
Does this remind anyone else of House of Usher?
I’m over here concerned for all of Neuralink’s patients.
Is this gonna be like that Raelian clone baby?
I love seeing references to the Raelians in the wild! What a bonkers cult they are. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raël.
promote a liberal ethical system with a strong emphasis on sexual experimentation.
Raël is fucking anyone and anything he can get his hands on.
Oh no shit.
Anyway
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