The DSA aims to ensure a safer environment online for minors, in this context, the Commission has opened formal proceedings against Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX, and XVideos for suspected breaches of the Digital Services Act (DSA).
In most of EU there are laws that forbid minors to access some products (like, you cannot sell alcool to minors). Don’t see as fascist to make those laws respected.
I mean, if a minor buys a liquor from a store and it is caught, the store pays a fine (or it is temporary closed or whatever the law says), why should be a company that sell pornography (or enable to watch it) not be responsible the same way ? Just because it is on internet and it is a US company ?
So in your opinion even the ban to sell alcool to minors is in the “think of the children” category ?
Anyway, the ban to sell pornography to minors date way before internet so what’s the point ? EU is not making a new law, it merely try to look if these companies respect them.
Then I could agree that back at the time, when you need to go to the newsstand to buy “the product” the check was easy and now it is everything but easy. Back at the time you just need to show your ID and that’s all, the newsagent would never remember you and have nothing about you to be stoles.
Now the only problem I see is that the data you could send to verify you are an adult will be stolen (and sold) and that is a problem.
No, I’d liken it to an adult giving a child alcohol. I don’t know of any children who pay for their own Internet access
Which is still forbidden, except if you are the parent and you are in your own home or anyway not in a public space. And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
But I don’t know children that can pay for their own alchool either.
If your liquor cabinet at home isn’t locked, and your kid steals some, it isn’t any different than not having a locked down Internet connection.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.
Congratulations, you have found the solution to kids accessing inappropriate content on the internet.
if the kid is educated well, he would refuse watching porn on a website. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
use education instead of invasive age verification systems.
The fascist censorship regime is just ramping up their efforts in Europe. The Nazis took over again.
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.
Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
that’s easy, you even said it out loud:
And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
now just replace alcohol with porn, and its done. just like they would drink your alcohol, they are using your internet access, its your job and responsibility to limit their access to both of these.
Meaning, the seller should not allow the minor to buy stuff on pornhub.
The law did not say that the minor could not try to buy pornography from the newsstand (or whatever else is forbidden to him) but that the seller could not sell to him.
Same here, a minor could try to buy, the seller must not sell to him. That is valid also for accessing the site.
So I fully agree that the EU comission check if this laws is respected also on internet.
For me the only thing to discuss about this is the “how it is done” which can be an interesting discusssion in itself.
But it’s not about selling online but about access. Which is parental responsibility.
Fully agree.
But I was not against the fact that also the site check if who is trying to access can legally access (and I don’t think the simple “Are you of legal age” question is enough)
Why do we restrict porn at 16 anyway? Make it 13 or 12 to make more sense.
The fascist censorship regime is just ramping up their efforts in Europe. The Nazis took over again.
In most of EU there are laws that forbid minors to access some products (like, you cannot sell alcool to minors). Don’t see as fascist to make those laws respected.
I mean, if a minor buys a liquor from a store and it is caught, the store pays a fine (or it is temporary closed or whatever the law says), why should be a company that sell pornography (or enable to watch it) not be responsible the same way ? Just because it is on internet and it is a US company ?
Yes, I am familiar with the ‘think of the children!’ Trojan horse tactic.
So in your opinion even the ban to sell alcool to minors is in the “think of the children” category ?
Anyway, the ban to sell pornography to minors date way before internet so what’s the point ? EU is not making a new law, it merely try to look if these companies respect them.
Then I could agree that back at the time, when you need to go to the newsstand to buy “the product” the check was easy and now it is everything but easy. Back at the time you just need to show your ID and that’s all, the newsagent would never remember you and have nothing about you to be stoles.
Now the only problem I see is that the data you could send to verify you are an adult will be stolen (and sold) and that is a problem.
No, I’d liken it to an adult giving a child alcohol. I don’t know of any children who pay for their own Internet access.
If your liquor cabinet at home isn’t locked, and your kid steals some, it isn’t any different than not having a locked down Internet connection.
Which is still forbidden, except if you are the parent and you are in your own home or anyway not in a public space. And if the kid is educated well, he would refuse alchool from an adult that is not his parent or relatives. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
But I don’t know children that can pay for their own alchool either.
Well, I don’t need to lock my liquor cabinet because I educated my kids.
And now that they are old enough they know that they can simply ask instead of stealing.
Congratulations, you have found the solution to kids accessing inappropriate content on the internet.
if the kid is educated well, he would refuse watching porn on a website. If not maybe you should educated your kid better than that.
use education instead of invasive age verification systems.
Literally no one but you is arguing about minors accessing porn.
I am not the one saying
I am the one saying that in the real world there is a law that ban minor from accessing porn that should be held valid also on internet.
The one implying that enforcing a law is fascist is you, not me.
Because it’s a Trojan horse. They’re using porn as justification for increased monitoring for everyone who uses the web, and controlling what they’re allowed to see.
Fine, assuming you are right, what’s the alternative ?
Skip the part about parental controls and parents that educate their kids, let’s talk about something you would do to apply the law that does not cause some form of control.
that’s easy, you even said it out loud:
now just replace alcohol with porn, and its done. just like they would drink your alcohol, they are using your internet access, its your job and responsibility to limit their access to both of these.
Just astoundingly stupid.
Meaning, the parents shouldn’t let the child buy stuff on pornhub?
Meaning, the seller should not allow the minor to buy stuff on pornhub.
The law did not say that the minor could not try to buy pornography from the newsstand (or whatever else is forbidden to him) but that the seller could not sell to him.
Same here, a minor could try to buy, the seller must not sell to him. That is valid also for accessing the site.
So I fully agree that the EU comission check if this laws is respected also on internet.
For me the only thing to discuss about this is the “how it is done” which can be an interesting discusssion in itself.
But it’s not about selling online but about access. Which is parental responsibility.
Why do we restrict porn at 16 anyway? Make it 13 or 12 to make more sense.
Fully agree.
But I was not against the fact that also the site check if who is trying to access can legally access (and I don’t think the simple “Are you of legal age” question is enough)
It is 18 here, but it can be a nice discussion.