great advertisement for signal
There goes my telegram account. Bye, you won’t be missed
I don’t know why people stuck with it. I’ve used it; I get that a lot of the initial success/hype was:
- It’s not owned by Meta
- “Putin hates Durov!”
- “Unlimited” storage (lots of people using it as free cloud storage, which is dumb if you value your files)
But your messages are not E2EE by default (only “Secret Chats”, which aren’t synced across devices)…Telegram (the organization) could always read your messages. I said this so many times and got called everything under the sun.
“Why would they care about my messages though?” ------> Because $300 Million.
This. The second Premium landed I was out, and it was slipping long before that.
Whelp. Same thought :(
Telegram ASTOUNDS me.
Like, there’s been several instances of them outwardly admitting that their security sucks, not to use it for encrypted chats, that they just give logs away to world governments, and yet thousands of crypto bros and bots use telegram to function, EVEN ZLIBRARY, who could just as easily set up and use Matrix, has a Telegram bot for downloading books.
Their bot api is very easy to use. I have made some telegram bots because is so easy. Tried to do the same with WhatsApp and didn’t even get permission and api access.
Average Joes use mainstream things, if you want to do something accessible, these bots are the way. Ideally, you want them to download or use an app that does some hand holding. I’m all up to the fediverse but let’s be honest, it has some non intuitive things for today’s user, most were trained to understand and like centralized services. They vaguely understand and use emails today, and mostly for account creation of other platforms.
Disclaimer: haven’t tried to make signal bots, they are a thing?
No disrespect towards you or your response (which is a good response, btw) – but the Bot API being good means absolutely nothing when the core app is garbage. By “garbage”, I mean that it ignores basic best-practices (like not E2EE everything, which they claimed wasn’t possible with device sync – but look at FB Messenger, Signal, Whatsapp, etc all able to do it).
Nobody is allowed to ask me why that matters. Because the answer is $300 Million.
It matters because when you try to build something new, you choose the path of least resistance. I’m not justifying it, I’m explaining it. Also, guess who doesn’t gives shit about E2EE? Average Joes.
I agree with you, but still your idea of garbage is not shared by the general population. Remember that telegram got traction because it falsely claimed that it was secure, or at least more secure than WhatsApp.
Telegram are being paid by xAI to use their product? Isn’t it supposed to be the other way around?
integrate into it’s apps
They’re getting paid for training data.
I’m guessing the money flows in this direction because telegram actually has users.
The users must ask themselves if they’re the product, fucking Musk is paying for access to them.
Having xAI accessing a billion of users conversations? They are going to have the most “educated” LLM. Also isn’t xAI getting subsidies from the government? Literalły workers of America are paying to spy, again
The funny thing is, half of Telegram is drugs, conspiracy nuts and really weird humour. The ai is going to be great, I can already see it.
AI companies paying or straight up buying other businesses to spread their disease has become their go-to strategy as of late.
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So you’re telling me that Grok is so bad that they have to pay developers to integrate it? How backwards. People are willing to pay for Grok’s competitors.
Or is xAI paying for access to Telegram conversations to train Grok?
This is the reason. Telegram has data and users that can be fed to the AI and they know it. Grok is hungry.
Well it’s gonna learn to post crypto spam ads and swastikas then. Which come to think of it… might be the point
What’s funny is the flipside to it… Telgram is absolutely fucking full of furries so grok’s gonna learn a shitload of gay leftist shit too.
This is the real take away from all this. xAI is trying hard to keep up with the big-boys and has to pay a shit ton of money just to be in the game. xAI’s revenue will be in the deep red for a long time at this rate.
to be fair, pretty much all ai is that bad these days :)
now telegram is going to insert random information about South African White genocide to every conversation. or it will be in every recommended reply at least.
Nail no.1 in the coffin for me was when this Durov guy sent an unsolicited telegram-wide message on election day in my country, claiming French interference in our elections.
This is nail no.2 in the coffin.
Guess I’ll get off my lazy arse and delete my telegram account now
So, a software that is owned by US politician is working together with software that has links to Russian government?
Federal government threatened Telegram and demanded a backdoor a while back, iirc.
You misunderstand. Elon is retired from US politics now, obviously, and will return to being a force of good!
Hasn’t Elon said that he’s “retiring” like every month 47 has been in office?
Just bullshit to try to appease Tesla investors.
Are we calling him a politician now? 😭
good news! signal has sticker packs
If only any of my friends would have it… I have a lot of contacts on telegram, and on signal there’s like 1. Even my furry friends are not on there
There are some active chats on matrix, but I don’t know why on signal
Maybe if you tell them that an LLM is being trained on all their “private” conversations now, they will change their mind?
Them: “I’ve got nothing to hide” (slowed down and reverbed)
I tried to switch to Signal but it feels so damn barren compared to Telegram :(
I want to love it but they make it hard
Signal by design can’t and won’t support big group chats.
Frankly Telegram is socially a reiteration of IRC plus blogs. There are groups where people chat, there are channels where posts have comments. Posts and their comments are visible in the associated group, so all the life of a community is in one place. That’s important for small groups and mobile devices.
Because these two things in the 00s web accounted for most of life.
A TG alternative with ActivityPub identities and proper secret chats would be nice, of course.
The only problem with Telegram = IRC angle is that I can’t scroll up in IRC to see what I missed throughout the day. I legitimately would love to switch my friend group to a self-hosted IRC server, but chat history is important.
I don’t know about any of this. I pretty much only have looked into it for porn and bootlegs of academic papers. Feels like I’m missing out on all the ‘fun’ of ai chats and cult groups.
ai chats
I said nothing about such.
My biggest gripe with it is about electron. I refuse to keep it running on my PC. Even the damned Whatsapp converted to something better.
Oof, that sucks if that’s the case
signal has sticker packs
wait it does? maybe then I can convince my contacts to move there xD Seriously stickers are the main selling point of Telegram for us
Wondering how long has this been cooking? A year or so ago musk started attacking signal for no discernible reason and recommending telegram instead.
ew wtf, Telegram has been one of the less shittified ones :c
Honestly, Telegramm always seemed to me a bit shifty since I learnt E2EE for chats was opt-in.
Been saying this for years. Then they introduced Premium to “help fund things” (but they’re also taking $300 MILLION from Elon, and giving them access to user data.
So will basic features stop being paywalled now? Or are people going to have to keep paying to stop random people from messaging them?
not even available on desktop clients, or for group chats
First thing i’m doing is opening a channel to run up Grok API calls maliciously
Big yikes
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Or Telegram.
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Uninstalled!
