I don’t think it can but hear me out for a second. How about we just don’t grow? We’re not beholden to stock owners needing to see growth year over year. Can we just be happy with what we have?
100% agree with you. Growth must not be the goal, maybe a byproduct. Focusing on growth will eventually compromise the quality of our experience.
Absolutely agree with you as well. Natural growth as a byproduct would mean that those that wish to stay in the fediverse like what the see and stay with the community.
Yes. The argument that we need to grow is a capitalistic one imo. This isn’t a capitalistic platform afaik. Small communities are naturally better, I think.
It might have been fake, but weren’t there already reports of Meta blocking links/tags in relation to pixelfed?
If it’s true, they’ve already proven to be a bad faith actor. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already scraping data from every other instance that federates with them.
At the end of the day, one side will be right. My moneys on the anti-threads side.
I don’t like the “they haven’t done anything bad yet” argument for staying federated, since there are much better reasons for not doing so. They either have already, and we aren’t talking about it yet (ex. downranking fediverse content, those closed door meetings with admins), or they are going to once they need to extract a profit.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already scraping data from every other instance that federates with them.
I would be surprised if they aren’t already, and they’re likely scraping data from the defederated instances as well.
I think microblog instances should stay federated because that’s the best way to fight against threads. (longer discussion here: https://lemmy.ca/post/11771031)
How is that any different than the weekly defederatiosns here?
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I don’t know why people keep spreading this nonsense. If your instance is publicly visible (which it is) then Meta is likely already scraping it. They do not need federation to do that.
They do it because they want to make the “Meta is already scraping anyway, so we should just all agree to their terms of service and start federating with them and become one big happy family”. It’s just good old anti-defederation rhetoric.
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I think we’re up to 16 now. The Fediverse is being ruined.
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We need some basic rules,
- No single direction federation
- Users own their content and can licence it as they feel fit
With these 2 it would be hard to fuck up
I mean there are a shitload of reasons to not federate with Threads, but I feel like “it will federate ads to your server” is kinda the only one I should need to mention.
how can the Fediverse grow without loosing its soul in the process?
It can’t? Rather obvious that the “soul” of a community is defined by it’s members and the bigger the community the more mainstream this soul will become. Maybe the federation mechanic offers some solutions here, but that remains to be seen.
Many people like simplistic garbage. You can’t convince them to like something better, as that creates demands on them to grow as a person, when they likely have other priorities in their lives that demand their attention more forcefully.
This is why McDonalds is the worlds most successful restaurant. Not because it is good, but because it is undemanding.
So, when people think we can pull users from the McDonalds crowd with superior quality, it just makes me laugh.
Are you sure you don’t mean a Universal Declaration of Fediverse Independence from Reddit, Threads, and Twitter/X?
Can we stop all this philosophising and just get on with enjoying it for what it is? Please?
I’m really tired of hearing everybody’s thoughts on Meta and Threads. And souls. And money. And the future. There are too many captains of the ship who want their 15 minutes of steering time. Opinions ate like assholes, everybody has one.
If you want Meta and Threads in your life, then join it or an instance that is going to federate with it. If you don’t, move to an instance that won’t. Same applies for any community that your part of. Or start your own. That’s the beauty of this.
Can we please let it rest?
You didn’t have to click on this post.
You didn’t have to reply to my comment.
Yes, but I’m not complaining about being tired of reading comments about this.
And?
So, since I’m not going somewhere and then complaining about going there, my actions are reasonable and normal. Since you clicked on the post, and then complained about what it clearly was going to be about, yours are not. Thus, we are not the same, and your “yea you too” comment simply made no sense.
Not that any of this is particularly surprising on the internet.
I think your confusing me with somebody who cares what your view of your actions is, or what your expectations on the internet is.
All you’ve done is complain about me posting my opinion. Not the actual opinion. But that I just posted it.
If you don’t agree with me, that’s cool. But try to use a few more brain cells to make it a constructive argument that we can discuss rather than the childish bullshit you’ve posted so far.
The irony of you showing up here to bitch about something you had no reason to even click and then insulting someone else’s brain while they are literally demonstrating more thought than you is just hilarious.
I haven’t complained about a single thing. All I did was try to give you an idea that you may not have thought of, and then make an amusing observation and answer a question of yours.
Not my fault if it bothered you.
I don’t disagree with you at all. I just thought that maybe you hadn’t considered that you don’t have to read something if you suspect you may not like it. This doesn’t occur to everyone, you see.
