This is what we get for conflating a persons talent and ability with their net worth
His only talent is convincing the wealthy to invest in his schemes. I don’t understand how he does it, hearing him speak is painful.
He got lucky with Tesla becoming a meme stock.
SpaceX is being run by a competent engineer while its competitor, Blue Origin is being run by a megalomaniac. This is possibly Musks only competent move in business.
The rest of his ventures have been failures. To any one not blinded by greed, it’s clear he long ago peaked. He’s playing a shell game now but people will happily invest hoping luck will strike again.
There’s an old tweet that explains it well, I’m sure you’ve seen it.
(Paraphrased) “Elon Musk talked about cars. I don’t know anything about cars so when people said he was a genius, I figured he must be a genius”
Investors don’t know shit about the stuff they’re investing in and Musk sounds really smart when you don’t know anything about the thing he’s speaking on.
For Tesla and SpaceX, they attracted the top engineers because they were cool bleeding edge problems to solve that actually aligned with idealist goals in the industries.
Musk used that genuine motivation and overworked people into burnout, and took credit for others hard work.
Sounds like the apple guy
His only talent is convincing the wealthy to invest in his schemes. I don’t understand how he does it, hearing him speak is painful.
That’s not fair, he’s also really good at making promises to the public to secure incentives and public funding and then fucking everyone over
The real trick there is how he didn’t get sued.
The SEC has held him more accountable than the share holders
To his credit SpaceX was at least a correct recognition that the dominant space launch companies were just a cartel milking federal funding for as much as possible. That sector is so stagnant that ULA still hasn’t blinked at the massive success of first stage reusability.
When you’re a government agency, you have to play things super safe. When you’re an independent company, you can do whatever you want. And if you fail, no one cares. If the government agency fails, it’s hell to pay.
Someone tell that to NY state’s gov.
Well with SpaceX, there are now 2 big launch companies for the USA.
and given how the gov likes to spread contracts around there isnt a real existential incentive to do much.
Man, I wish I was a deluded narcissist. Life sounds pretty good for them.
Shows how completely broken the system is.
Do they mean seagull?
Yeah that’s what I was thinking, never heard it called pigeon management before
Maybe they mean pigeon to make it sound like he isn’t able to be a seagull manager. Like he’s trying to be a seagull manager, but only managed pigeon manager. A quiet insult.
Maybe all Tesla managers are as dumb as Musk himself and they did mean Pigeon but in an unironic way.
Seems more like he’s combining it with a quote:
“Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyways.”
Yep, that’s what I’m guessing, too.
It’s not pigeon management unless it’s from the city region of new york
MINE-agement
Steven management?
Edit: I was joking around. Since Seagal sounds very similar to seagull.
Anyone remember when he spent all his time talking about colonising mars? That was his big thing and the future. Whatever happened to that?
Then spacex got government funding. Now AI is the big thing.
I’ve still yet to see any of his great visions he’s actually delivered on.
Whatever happened to that?
He took all the money he was going to use to do that, put it in a duffelbag with
Xwritten on the side, and burned it.Isn’t something like that why Elon got in trouble with the Tesla board? Something about using Tesla as a bank to fund space x.
Space X which he owns a controlling stake in, unlike Tesla.
He’s one of those people who’ll pop around a corner and proclaim his credit of something he had next to no involvement in.
Notice he has never actually volunteered to go up in a SpaceX rocket. I don’t think he’ll be going to Mars.
Tis a shame, Musk would be perfect to colonize Mars. Send him there. But forget to send women.
I can think of some women who could go with him. Elizabeth Holmes, for example.
Can we send Marjorie Taylor Greene, too? I really think they’d hit it off and I’d really like for her to be marooned, too.
See? I’m sure we can make up a list of women we can also send on the
submarine down to the Titanicrocket to Mars.
SpaceX is a fucking trashfire too. The fact that NASA has contracts with them disturbs me greatly.
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On the other hand, Starship is not fast enough, if I recall correctly, SpaceX claimed to Nasa that they’d be landing on the moon by now
They definitely have their setbacks and delays. They sure keep trying though.
Starship is a terrible idea and vehicle. The fact they keep trying to make the thing work is just because Musk is burning government funds. It has no chance of making it to the moon, let alone mars.
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Anything can make progress if it’s within the realm of possibility and you throw enough resources at it.
My issue with Starship is that it’s not really good for any of the things Musk has promised it for. It’s a heavy lift rocket that has not yet proven capable of surviving flight. Best case it can be used to get materials up to space, but used as a lander or a long distance ship? No way. It’s just not designed that way. Too heavy, too unsafe, too inefficient, too complicated.
Sure, it’s a reasonable take.
They do, but being slower than Orion to even get to the orbit is not a great look
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I’m picturing him walking into Tesla’s offices, going over to the engineers, saying, “make the horn make a fart noise,” and leaving, thinking he’s brilliant.
“The bear is sticky with honey”
My God he’s brilliant…
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I don’t think pigeons deserve that sort of badmouthing.
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Chicago here, pigeons are dicks
I always heard it as seagulls. Swoop in, make a bunch of noise, crap all over everything, then leave.
I love pigeons. They’re cute, I don’t get the hate
They’re dirty, poop everywhere in big cities, and they’re loud.
I don’t hate them generally, but they’re a nuisance in large numbers.
Musk is a nuisance as just one individual.
Don’t conflate all pigeons/doves with rock pigeons. Or Turd/Musk.
I’ve never heard of pigeon management but I have heard something similar described as playing chess with a pigeon as someone who “knocks all the pieces over, shits on the board then struts aroind like they’ve won”.
Here’s some more anti-patterns https://gist.pother.ca/2e5817a37b1229ea1930/
Thanks for the list. While there are some that I read about previously, a few of the other patterns are something that I only experienced.
It is nice to know that these have been identified and labelled by others in the industry. :D
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Have to say, that’s a pretty epic surname.
poltergeist
um, isn’t that a DTO?
poetry
That’s an insult to pigeons.
Somewhat ironic that the original joke was about seagull managers.
Can’t we all agree to just ignore him? Like stop posting about him and quit Twitter? He thrives off negative attention.
Problem is that lots of people do not leave Tw(X)tter and are not intending to do so :( And some are on Mastodon sort of pretending to have left the Pigeon sh*t CEO product, but still posting mostly screenshots from the old site. Good thing is that some are pretty clear about having left and encouraging others to follow like here : https://mastodon.social/@dangillmor ->
Journalists, please leave Twitter and join the fediverse.
Here’s how to get started:Even join Bluesky. It’s pretty good, I am enjoying, lots of public figures there too.
Isn’t it invite only?
No, it went to open signups a few months ago. I’ve been on it since February.
Thanks I’ll check it out
Where is the “how to get started”
There’s a link to this article. I haven’t vetted anything, so take it for what it is.
Mastodon is as easy as Lemmy,easier even.
No people can’t because they’re addicted to outrage-porn and being degraded (humiliation fetish).
Soooo… just a bog-standard CEO, then.
As much as I hate them, I would wager that the majority of CEOs are more educated, smarter and have a better understanding of their business than Elon “Failed Upward” Musk.
CEOs are more educated, smarter and have a better understanding of their business
You haven’t met that many of them, have you?
I have - the difference between the ones I met and the likes of Elon is that none of the ones I met had any interest in being celebrities. That’s the only difference - their institutionalized incompetence was the exact same.
Yeah, they only want to be well-connected with other CEOs and big investors so they can jump between orgs.
That said, some CEOs are decent. We just got a new CEO, and they seem decent. They have industry experience, not just an MBA from a prestigious school, and they asked the right questions when visiting recently. We’re not a huge org though (a few thousand people), but we are publicly traded (not in the US).
There’s a picture this makes me think of where a bunch of birds are sitting on a tree in typical pyramid hierarchy diagram positions, and each level of birds starting from the second is covered in more shit than the previous.
The true trickle down
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As a pigeon enjoyer, offence taken.
I’ve always heard them described as seagull managers. Screams loudly, shits everywhere, leaves.
much better
We called this the “swoop and poop” in a previous job of mine. Definitely not something encouraged or enjoyed.
The ol’ Swoop-n-Poop as an ex (awesome) boss used to call it.
I brought it up w/ my team and we all got a laugh. We even shared some war stories about bad bosses.
I’m a boss now, so hopefully I’m not like that. I ask my employees to report me to my boss if I do something stupid.
I’ve been under leaders like this. Definitely not the best ones.
