Autopilot “is not a self-driving technology and does not replace the driver,” Tesla said in response to a 2020 case filed in Florida. “The driver can and must still brake, accelerate and steer just as if the system is not engaged.”
Tesla’s terminology is so confusing. If “Autopilot” isn’t self-driving technology, does that mean it’s different from “Full Self Driving”? And if so, is “Full Self Driving” also not a self-driving technology?
I heard Elon Musk call it: “Assisted full self driving”. Which doesn’t make any sense. LOL
“It’s called whatever will make the stock price go up.”
And avoid liability.
But you repeat yourself
The self in this equation is you. You’re driving your self around. Full self driving 😉
oy that’s a good one. 😋
its called “Full Self Driving (Supervised)” now
If it really was full self driving, it wouldn’t need to be supervised
The term autopilot comes from aviation, where the only kind of problem resolution an autopilot does is turning itself off.
Other than that, it just flies from checkpoint to checkpoint.
If only we could implement similar testing protocols to the aviation version to validate it’s safety!
A full NTSB investigation for every single crash? I’m all for it!
Depends on the autopilot. There are some that are as rudimentary as a “wing leveler.” They only have control of the ailerons and can level the wings and maybe make turns. Other systems have control of all three major control axes and are integrated with the navigation systems so they can do things like climb to an altitude and level off, turn to a heading, or even fly holds and approaches.
They do require training on the part of the pilot to use in flight.
Yeah, but even the best ones would happily crash into a mountain if the pilots don’t set their altimeters properly (and ignore the terrain warnings).
Are you sure that it is happy? Maybe the autopilot is really sad about its inability to not fly into a mountain.
Hard to say, it might depend on the plane model. I’ve heard that Boeing 777s autopilots are really snarky.
It’s marketing
Autopilot is a more basic driver assist system than FSD. FSD is what will eventually become what the name suggests but it’s obviously not there yet and everyone knows this. It’s just the name of the system.
Those are really crappy names. How about “driver assist” and “supervised self driving”? Drop the “supervised” once they’re ready to market it as real self driving.
FSD is called Full Self-Driving (Supervised) nowdays.
Autopilot can be seen as a misleading term but that has more to do with people not understanding what autopilot on airplanes actually does which is quite similar to what it does on Teslas aswell.
Autopilot isn’t being marketed to aviation enthusiasts nor is it a plane so it doesn’t matter how autopilot in planes works it matters what the perception is. They could have used a more appropriate term like advanced cruise control
FSD is just a lie because its a description of a product they intend to develop not something that exists on the car you are buying now
What’s your definition of self-driving system then if the current one doesn’t qualify?
The one where Tesla is responsible if there is an accident (but this user blocks people critical of Tesla, so probably won’t see this message).
The car being able to get to their destination using the public road network without a single person in it, while fully complying with the law and road safety.
Well, the current version of FSD can do that. It’s just not approved for unsupervised driving (level 3) so that’s why the driver still needs to be there to be ready to take over at any moment. The current version of it near-perfectly mimics a human driver. I highly recommend to check reviews on YouTube for the version 12. It’s quite impressive.
Specifically Auto Pilot is lane keep and traffic aware cruise control (it will slow down if you’re going faster than the car in front) FSD adds auto lane changes (it can do it by itself or the driver can initiate with the turn signals), makes turns necessary to follow navigation. It does a pretty decent job on freeways.
That they are working on now is getting FSD to work better on city streets and secondary highways
You can’t call something Full Self Driving or Autopilot and then blame the driver. If you want to blame the driver then call it drive asist.
Right! That’s why you have the FSD turn it over to the driver the moment a crash is unavoidable to make the driver liable.
“at the time of the crash, the driver was in full control”
(but not a couple seconds before)
I think Tesla should rename Auto Pilot to Darwin Award Mode.
And improve motorcycle detection as well as use LIDAR.
It’s not that Teslas are killing their owners. Teslas are killing first responders to road accidents, kids getting off buses and motorcyclists. We’re all exposed to the problems caused by Musk cutting out testing to save some money.
The customers pay extra in order to be beta testers. Best deal ever!
And pay more than my first two cars cost me combined at that
That’s just the price we have to pay for this wonderful capitalist system. Worth it!
I like calling it cruise control with extra fatalities.
Heck, even using the same sonar/radar/whatever normal cars use other than just cameras would be a huge improvement
You’re also responsible for what you do when you’re drunk! Guess what. You cannot purchase ethical excuses. That’s YOUR Tesla. You own it. You’re in charge of it regardless of whether or not Tesla makes it impossible to access the controls.
Buyer beware. Stop buying proprietary garbage, ya idiots.
Unfortunately there is no car that isn’t proprietary and even ones without “auto pilot” have things like collision detection that can slam on the breaks for you.
You’re clearly not looking hard enough. Maybe you just prefer a dangerous road where nobody takes responsibility?
What? No, I want people to be responsible because that is what works.
Search “car slams breaks in false positive collision detection”. There are loads of stories. Mine beeps sometimes, but thankfully doesn’t apply the breaks itself.
Yes and that’s bad. I’m with you on all that. You CAN however find plenty of cars without all that. It just really limits your selection.
Even modern cars don’t all have self drive and collision avoidance. I’ve driven a few new cars recently and none do more than flash messages and beep when they forsee a crash.
There are high quality reliable cars that still run great from the early to mid 2000s. They are very inexpensive compared to modern vehicles. May cost a bit more in gas.
You control them completely
Didn’t he preach in the past that NOT using automated driving systems would be completely unsafe?
Confidence Man!
Even those are riddled with proprietary devices. Cars have had a CAN bus network of devices for decades. These closed smarts alone have caused things like the emissions scandal. These alone interfere with right to repair and competition. What is new is the spying and direct control, but the problem is older than that.
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I would say depends. If the user was using the feature correctly then Tesla should have some liability.
Most of the crashes I’ve seen the people were not using the feature correctly.
