Yeah, genius thought that creating CyberTruk and turn full Nazi will expand his consumer base.
Sucks for real founders of Tesla, but hey, at least you helped bootstrapping switch to EVs.
turn full Nazi
He’s a Nazi? Like, literally? What’s the latest?
Edit: we’re discussing the down votes for this comment below. I’m baffled, because I’m merely asking for info. Please, if you want to down vote, reconsider, and consider replying to me why instead. 🙂 I don’t care about the votes, I’m just curious why a simple request could be so unpopular. Thank you.
He lets Nazis use his platform and calls it “freedom of speech”, although this exact freedom is limited by the wellbeing of others. And promoting Nazis is harmful to not only minorities, but the society in my opinion, as they strive to split the society with populist arguments.
Calling someone a Nazi is quite a serious accusation, and it’s going to need a lot better justification than that. I post gay porn on Twitter, and Elon lets me do that. Does that mean he’s gay too?
You’ve tied my head up in knots with this one. Haha
As to the argument above yours, fostering a space for Nazis to grow their movement is scary. I get that some segments of society think that posting gay porn is scary too, but gay porn never led to death camps for anybody.
I think all ideas are worth discussing, because if they’re hiding in quiet corners there are no voices of reason to refute them. It’s hard to take that stance nowadays with the internet working the way it does. Algorithms feeding information to people just because that information gets engagement is frightening.
I had a conversation with my neighbor yesterday about how he got interested in the whole furry thing. He said that initially, he read the critical comments online, took them seriously, thought it was funny, so he engaged in harassment of furries. His engagement led him to more furry videos. He began to like some of the people he was engaging with. Fast forward to now and he’s got fursuits hanging in his closet and everyone he hangs with is also a furry.
It got me thinking about how a lot of kids end up going down these rabbit holes online. Not that I consider being a furry a bad thing. My daughter is into that stuff and I support her being herself. His example just made me think of how other people fall into extremism online.
Nazis say they want to murder people until there are enough of rhem to do so. Gay porn afaik has not murdered anyone and has no agenda to do so.
Thus website doesn’t like any opinion that is anyway different to theirs. They want the echo chamber.
I am wondering why there is such a down vote count on this. I thought there was a new development that he’s actually a Nazi supporter, rather than just letting them roam free on his platform.
It’s not even an opinion. I’m literally curious to know more facts lol.
This website fucking insane in all honesty.
Like I’m not going to say Elon is perfect. But on here they live in fantasy land. He seems to be living rent free in their head.
Space X is the biggest one where it becomes obvious how biased it is. Space X will public announced that they are testing something and expect it to fail. Then it does better than expected but doesn’t complete everything perfectly. Then everyone on here acts like the greatest space company in the world is failing singlehandedly because Elon is stupid and also an evil genius. Also that he has too much control and that is had too little.
Facts don’t matter here. Everyone is too fragile so free speech is scary to them.
Maybe you’re right. I’m not here to argue with anyone over Elon, I’m just here for the show/trainwreck and the popcorn lol.
Yea it fills some time. Enjoy.
Nope. Lefties like to call any outspoken conservative a “Nazi” to discredit them. It’s like when conservatives call lefties “communist.” It’s juvenile IMO, but I guess it works.
If you let Nazis in your house and kick out people saying they don’t want to hang around Nazis, what does that make you?
Collaborateur! 📣
If you’re looking to have a public forum, you need a representative sample from all sides of the political spectrum. Look at parliamentary systems as an example of that, where you have literal fascists and communists sitting alongside one another as a very vocal, but incredibly small minority. If that’s your goal, you need to take the good with the bad.
That is what Musk has stated as his goal, so what you’re seeing makes absolute sense with that stated goal.
That said, I don’t like Musk or what he claims to believe in politically, I just think the idea of an open town square is desirable. I hope someone can pull it off (doesn’t seem like Musk is doing it), which is part of why I’m working on a Reddit/Lemmy alternative that discourages echo chambers and encourages high quality discourse. Doing that is incredibly hard, because people like to group up into tribes, and I think Musk absolutely does that as well (hence why I don’t like him). However, I don’t think Musk is a “Nazi” because he allows Nazis on his platform, I think he’s just incapable of running the type of social media platform he wants to see exist.
What are you talking about? Who has he kicked out for that?
How do you know they are left?
I don’t, but there seems to be a very strong correlation between leftist political views and calling people who tolerate Trump “Nazis.”
That said, I’m not a leftist or a conservative, I dislike Trump, Musk, and what they stand for. I’m libertarian, and not in the “I’m a conservative who likes weed” way (I have no desire to use weed, but it should 100% be legal), but in a “We should work toward open borders” way. I respect Musk’s statement that he wants Twitter/X to be a free speech platform and understand him allowing Trump et al back on, but I think he has really lost what made Twitter interesting. I don’t think he actually wants free speech, he wants people to agree with him to be heard, and “free speech” is the excuse to get them platformed again.
My issue here has nothing to do with Musk, but with the liberal (pun intended) use of the term “Nazi” to label people you don’t like. There are actual Nazi movements that could apply to, such as the Proud Boys, and abusing the term just cheapens the meaning of the term.
Really? Because the right doesn’t throw the Nazi card around like there’s no tomorrow at the left with their disingenuous “national socialism bullshit”. Only one party/political leaning is actually courting the neo-nazi vote.
Of course they don’t, the Nazi card is a far-right concept. The far-left analog is communist, and they did plenty of that during the “red scare.” They still use “communist” or “socialist” terminology to write off opponents.
And no, the Republican party isn’t actively courting neo-nazis, it’s neo-nazis that are using Republican talking points to appeal to a broader audience. There’s certainly a venn diagram overlap there, so Republicans can appear to be supporting neo-nazis, but that’s really just neo-nazis trying to appeal to more of the mainstream.
Don’t get caught up in the partisan name-calling, it sucks when Republican do it, and it sucks when Democrats do it, it’s just a really stupid version of a strawman. Democrats don’t want to seize the means of product but Republicans want you to think they do, and Repbulicans don’t want to kill minorities but Democrats want you to think they do. Don’t buy in to the divisiveness BS, look at the facts and make your own decisions from there.
I personally hate both parties since neither actually deliver on the parts I like from their platforms, and they tend to behave similarly on the issues I care about (e.g. both largely support Israel, both seem happy to continue undeclared wars, both seem happy to run up deficit spending with little to show for it, etc). Screw the two party system and “pundits” in general.
Leftists are communist though. Liberals are the progressives that prefer capitalism
No, I disagree with each of your definitions. Here’s how I see them:
- leftist - anyone left of center; this is a big tent with both capitalists and communists
- progressives - leftists who want significant, but moderate political change (e.g. universal healthcare, high minimum wage, etc)
- liberals - anyone who believes in individual rights and private property, so basically the capitalist wing of leftist ideology; originally, liberals were more synonymous w/ modern libertarians, but now they tend to prefer larger government
So in terms of size of the groups: leftists > liberals > progressives. The communist part of the left is largely mutually exclusive from progressives and liberals, though some progressives are in favor of some elements from socialism.
At least that’s how I see it. I’m neither leftist or conservative, I’m a pretty centrist libertarian. I’m left of many leftists and right of many conservatives, depending on the issue.
You may disagree, but it is a pretty widely agreed upon distinction. It’s a symptom of the issue of a fractured left wing. The left leaning communists wanted to distinguish themselves from the left leaning capitalists, so they started calling themselves leftists and not liberals.
It’s just a bunch of different labels, it’s not really set in stone or definitive. I totally understand why you disagree.
My point really was just that a conservative calling someone a communist isn’t insulting to a lot of self described leftists because they are communist, it’s mostly just considered an insult to a conservative. Kinda like calling an alt right person a Nazi is an insult from a leftist, but plenty of alt righties wouldn’t be insulted because they are (jk but not really but jk)
The left leaning communists wanted to distinguish themselves from the left leaning capitalists, so they started calling themselves leftists and not liberals.
I don’t really care what they call themselves, I care what people in general mean by the terms they use. Academics use “leftist” to mean anyone on the left, “liberals” to mean those who prioritize individual liberties and private property (e.g. founders of the US), and “progressives” to mean those interested in utilitarian changes to existing systems to improve outcomes. “Liberal” has change a bit recently with the right using it to describe the left, but it’s also not wrong because both Dems and Reps are liberals, Reps are just socially conservative liberals, and Dems are socially progressive liberals. Those have clear definitions that are generally understood by the public, and changing their meaning just confuses things IMO.
My point really was just that a conservative calling someone a communist isn’t insulting to a lot of self described leftists because they are communist
But most aren’t. Calling Biden a communist because he wants to expand access to medical care is similar to calling Trump a fascist because he wants stronger border protections. They’re just inflammatory, inaccurate labels used for political gain. The communist label is relying on the “red scare” nonsense, and the fascist label is relying on holocaust imagery. Both are inaccurate and harmful IMO.
Yes, there are legitimate communists on the left and legitimate fascists on the right, but they’re such a minority that using them for any public figure is almost guaranteed to be inaccurate.
Good? Even if Tesla wasn’t shit it’s probably for the best if one company doesn’t make up the majority of an industry.
And normally this would be good for Tesla as it’d indicate the industry is growing a lot. So even if they aren’t most of it their total sales would probably increase.
Surprisingly their sales have actually gone down YoY, and considering the hugely growing EV market, that is hard to do.
Idk, the EV market has stagnated quite a bit, which is why used EVs are getting a lot cheaper. They just don’t have the range for broad market appeal, so those who want them largely have them.
It’s still growing, but a lot of EVs are sitting on the lots longer instead of being a waitlist. Essentially, supply has caught up with demand.
I wouldn’t say supply has caught up with demand, there’s a lot of other factors that contribute to people WANTING an EV, but being aware that it’s not feasible yet for them due to things like average price, charging access issues, etc.
That’s a demand issue then. The supply has saturated demand at current prices, so prices need to come down to align with demand at lower price brackets.
But demand is sti higher, it’s just mitigating factors, I want an EV but I live in an apartment so I can’t easily charge it, so I went with a hybrid instead as an in-between till I own a home and the infrastructure and battery tech improves.
Tesla will probably be a case study one day in how to get the lead in a market that is hard to break into and somehow squander it.
the problem is tesla basically got in early and did literally nothing to actually innovate and improve
They did that prior to Musk getting involved.
Are we all pretending that the investment in Tesla was organic and for the company?
You guys have seen the man with creepy world leaders. Multiple countries investing in and pumping Tesla stock to get favors from Elon is PRETTY BLATANTLY what’s going on.
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I saw a KIA the other day that I was surprised looked as slick as it did. Decided to look into it and saw a lot of positive reviews from owners. Was refreshing to see, but definitely surprising. The market is definitely changing and evolving. Tesla isn’t the only game in town.
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A couple of years ago KIA hired new designers and changed their logo, they basically turned from being the butt of a joke to one of the hottest car makers around.
I weirdly love their logo.
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I didn’t know Nine Inch Nails was making cars. It’s a big change but I know Trent and Atticus can get it right
Nothing weird about it
Kia poached their designers from Audi of all places.
I have a friend who got a brand new EV6 and LOVES IT. He’s the absolute last person I’d expect to love Kias, his previous car was a Lexus SUV. And he loves everything about his EV6 and would buy it again ig. So yeah, the company does seem to be different these days
I have a 2017 ioniq hybrid and I’ve been happy with it.
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It reminds me of old Porsches. It just looks sporty as hell!
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I don’t doubt that they aren’t ideal for everyday commuting. I was talking about how they look.
This is not surprising. When Tesla started out they had not much competition. Now that all the other carmakers have entered the market it is much harder to maintain their lead. Tesla losing market share was pretty much to be expected and Musk alienating their customers and the laughable Cybertruck certainly did not help.
When Tesla started out they had not much competition.
Half the joke of the company was how they stepped in and bought a bunch of the EV-1’s patents and plant infrastructure for a song, then spun around and sold EV production credits to the Big 3 auto companies so they could greenwash the SUV industry. Had GE simply kept turning out EV-1s, they’d have cleaned up during the late Bush Era gas price explosion. Instead, Musk got top dollar to churn out heavily subsidized sports cars while racking in government subsidies and deposits on cars that wouldn’t be built for half a decade.
Musk alienating their customers and the laughable Cybertruck certainly did not help.
Americans have a downright neurotic fixation on big trucks. I don’t think his Cybertruck idea was necessarily all that bad on its face. But he’s so fucking slow, he’s such a shitty product manager, and he was so heavily derailed by the promise of Robotaxis that Ford and Rivian beat him to EV Truck delivery.
Now his brand new flagship vehicle is barely more than a punchline.
The lack of CarPlay/Android Auto makes Tesla a non-starter
I honestly don’t care about that. For me, it’s price, both for purchase and if I ever need to replace the battery pack.
Used Bolts and Leafs are right in the price range I’m looking at, and I only want it for a commuter, so I don’t need a ton of range or a vast charging network. I imagine a lot of other consumers feel similarly.
Imagine a $5-10k commuter vehicle with little/no fuel cost. You could have another vehicle for longer range trips if you need to.
Yup. I’m considering getting an ebike, but that’s not going to be pleasant in the winter. I honestly don’t need much, I just need to get to work and back, and maybe grab a few groceries on the way.
Tesla’s sales in the second quarter of 2024 fell to 49.7 percent of all US EV sales.
Unless the other 50.3% were of a single company, which i highly doubt, i fail to grasp how Tesla lost market dominance.
They lost dominance because they aren’t the majority anymore, just the plurality. It’s not a hard concept.
I think the statistical nature of the comment you’re replying to kinda flew right past you.
Their point was clearly that they are still the majority out of all other companies in comparison, just not the most compared to literally the aggregate of all other manufacturers.
That is the definition of plurality.
Right but I’m not sure why you said, “It’s not a hard concept” when the person was responding to the headline that says they lost market dominance, when that seems a bit misleading.
chinese EVs are cheap, plentiful and work just as fine as teslas
giving elon another bonus should fix it
I’m still absolutely flabbergasted they gave him that bonus. Like, legitimately, what success has the company had recently that was worth it?
Its all good, Elon got paid.
If that was the cost of BEVs getting a toehold in the auto industry…
… Nah that still sucks, bad deal
It was a joke. The fact he got paid for doing nothing to right what is a failing car company is a condemnation of the stock market.
Elon Musk Will Reinstate Neo-Nazi on Twitter https://lamag.com/internet/elon-musk-will-reinstate-neo-nazi-on-twitter
Elon Musk expresses support for antisemitic post on X, calling it “the actual truth” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-antisemitic-comments-x-post-actual-truth/
Can’t send links to actual tweets as the site is terrible now and won’t let me enter it without an account. The second link is notable for promoting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, like the Great Replacement.
I’m sure there will be someone to lick up Elon’s Nazi tears
That’s crazy they had above 50%, though I guess they were the only EV-only company in North America (I believe?).
Good, tesla looks like a shit.
My buddy at work just bought one and I am not impressed or at least it doesn’t feel the same as the first time I sat in one about 5 years ago.
It looks cheap on the inside I noticed paneling off. The only thing I truly love about it is how quiet it is when he is driving. It is insanely peaceful and the car does look clean just cheap. It’s unfortunate because they are good looking cars in the outside but damn they just aren’t impressive when you are in one.
I wouldn’t tell him that he loves it and if he loves it then he loves it.
Subjective i know: on the outside it’s just the model S that can compete to the same design level you get with that kind of money.
BMW at the same price range are better designed for example
Audi? Same
I rode in a 3 a while back, and to me it felt like a futuristic econobox.
Choke on shit, elon - You little emerald toting fuck.
