Switch to Linux!
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Muscle memory abuse
That’s what made me refuse to use the Reddit official app before their API garbage. Every update was a gamble as to whether they’d try to make me spend money through muscle memory.
reminds me of discord
Never used it. It asked for my phone number for verification when I tried to sign up, a long time back. I was like
I guess user name does not check out.
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
10+ years with Linux as my daily driver (yeah I’m old). When my os updates, it’s almost always with some feature that’s pretty neat.
Nowadays the steamdeck or some combo of Linux with steam can play my games, do my work, and I actively make other people’s lives better when I contribute.
Have you tried gaming on Linux lately? You don’t need Windows anymore except if you use GamePass, because MS has locked that software down to Windows. The only problem game I had was The Finals until recently, and it now works on Linux. Besides that the only issue is I can’t mod Baulder’s Gate 1 because it requires injecting things and that doesn’t work with Linux as far as I can figure out. The game runs fine.
Yes, I’m a long time mint user, and I was also a 1st batch steamdeck so I’ve seen how far just proton has come. There’s still a handful of games that just won’t work, work but not with the mods I need, or take a performance hit. I also have a driving simulator with a VR headset. I’m sure I could get it running on Linux eventually but windows just does it. Recognizes and just installed the drivers for all my hardware. And for VR, there are now a lot of solutions, but I’ve found windows to just be the fastest and best performing. I need every frame I can get running vr on a 2060.
Yeah, modding sucks right now. If the game let’s you manually add mods without injecting, then it’s fine, though manual can take a while. Nexus Mod Manager (and most others, though CKAN for KSP(1&2) works pretty well but won’t launch the game through that application for me) don’t work yet for Linux, but it looks like they’re working on a new application that’ll run natively on Linux, so I’m looking forward to that.
r2modman has a native Linux client as well and handles pretty much all unity games
I flirted with gnome this install around. I’m so lazy to reinstall yet again to get back to my previous plasma. Seriously Linux is a way better experience these days, I wish those that could would just give it an honest shot. The learning curve isn’t too bad once you understand a couple things.
Ubuntu used to be animals!
It still is. There’s an animal “codename” and a number for all releases.
Oh yay!!
So many memories, dapper drake with the LTS. For some reason I used karmic koala which is 9.10 until 12. I played thousands of hours of minecraft and ksp because other that valve games those where like the only two that ran naively without fucking around with the abomination that wine was at the time.
Ubuntu used to be naked people!
Lol what am I reading?
Sorry, that was the best link I could find at that moment. Since the word “ubuntu” means something like “humanity towards others,” Canonical really leaned into that concept with their tagline “Linux for human beings” in the early days. This involved shipping some controversial wallpaper images and using less risque shots from the same photo shoot on things like the CD-ROM cover.
🤣
I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.
Enshitification, plain and simple.
I genuinely do not get the hype of integrating LLMs fucking everywhere. There are places it makes sense, like word processors and email clients. Then there are places it doesn’t make sense, like as an aside in my desktop environment. No one’s going to use it. It’s Cortana all over again.
It’s nothing but trend chasing, just like when microdick turned their server UIs into tablet UIs because they were seething at apple for the ipad.
The whole tablet UI switching had huge potential - particularly for 2-in-ones and to a lesser extent, mobile devices, but Microsoft absolutely butchered it in its infancy with atrocious execution, and by having the hubris to hobble their primary use-case (desktop) for the sake of pushing their half-baked nonsense into the mobile market. Users didn’t do themselves any favours by not understanding that you could just hit start then type the first couple of letters of what you want to launch (what kind of website double-clicking weirdo clicks through the whole start menu without pinned links or search anyway?).
To me, it all reeks of designers/PMs/devs putting forward a super-promising concept, which was ruined by a bunch of overpaid MBA dipshits that thought they knew better.
(what kind of website double-clicking weirdo clicks through the whole start menu without pinned links or search anyway?).
So-called “muscle memory” runs deep with seasoned users. With Windows, if they started with Win95 there’s a lot of that to push back against.
Also, a lot of people who use computers daily are doing so by rote, sometimes to the point of sheer minimalism. Not everyone has turned thousands of hours at a keyboard into a deeper understanding of the system they use.
Except I used Cortana all the time on my windows phone before they trashed that idea
Not enshitification, cause they’re not jacking up the price to put Show Desktop back. Just bad UI.
Switch to Linux!
As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.
People will keep using what works for them, be it Windows/Linux/MacOS even if with minor inconveniences. Same goes for browsers/services/etc…
“Microsoft continually makes their OS worse, but every time they do, Linux users come into the comment section telling me I should switch, so I’m not going to.”
People don’t switch just because of some minor inconvenience (as if Linux didn’t have any…) and outside of Lemmy/the Fediverse echo chamber very few people are concerned about privacy. They will switch (maybe) if the new tool works better for them than thge previous one. Otherwise, why should they bother? Linux is my primary OS since many years, but it isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.
This echo chamber gets LOUD, too!
The thing is, is that it really doesn’t affect people in the way you guys seem to imagine.
I’ve used Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Currently use Windows for work as a C# . net, SQL / GraphQL, and React TypeScript developer and although I was shocked they’re all pro windows, coming from MacOS. Once you get used to it you don’t really notice the shit stuff as you just do what you’re doing.
I would still rate my experiences in this order though: MacOS, Linux, Windows. Best to worst, but like I said even though in now use the worst in my opinion it really doesn’t have much of an impact. Plus if I were to use Linux I’d need to geek out and waste so much time configuring it and I’m past that stage.
I work in healthcate and use windows, at work and at home if I need to do work related stuff. I don’t mind windows at work as it’s been configured for the purpose and all the shitty bits are switched off - something Microsoft let’s it’s business users do. It’s a decent operating system when it’s set up to do what it needs to do, and I’m very familiar with it from using it since Windows 95.
I used to use windows at home and had Linux for occasional interest. But in the last few years I’ve moved away from windows and now I’m on Linux as my main driver on multiple devices.
For home users Windows is getting pretty shitty - it steals data all the time with numerous privacy settings you have to set to try and stop it, it tries to force you ads, it tries to force you to use its Web browser, it bundles lots of sponsored apps and when it does a big update it resets alot of your choices on privacy plus reinstalls removed bundle apps. It also throws new “features” at you which take up resources and impact privacy. Like Xbox gaming - I didn’t ask for it, I don’t want it, stop installing it every year and stop forcing an overlay on my own games.
It’s really a chore to use windows now; it feels like a constant battle to make sure it’s not intruding on your data and privacy or showing you ads. I now use windows as the exception when there is a specific game that doesn’t work in Linux. The rest of the time I boot into Linux, or use a separate work provided Windows device for home working.
I know it’s probably a case of “who asked” but I guess I just mean I get that windows can be decent for work related stuff (or necessary) but when it comes to personal stuff it’s a bit of a nightmare. And I guess it also comes down to whether the privacy invasion and advertising bothers users. Bothers me a lot, but some people don’t seem to care how the customer has become the product.
Most people don’t care because most of your problems are all privacy related. And that’s what Linux people don’t seem to get. They rant and rave about how much better Linux is… for privacy. But the average Joe doesn’t know or care that data is being collected and for the most part it doesn’t affect them. It’s just some Boogeyman being thrown at them. What they care about is ease of use and convience. They don’t dig into those details because, for the most part, they’re not even aware.
When Linux people say it’s a “better experience”, they largely mean detailed customization and more privacy.
When Windows people say it’s a “better experience”, they mostly mean that it’s the same relatively easy to use experience on every device and it Just Works®.
They’re both right. But each side argues their side of the conversation not seeing that the other side has a perfectly justified use case for theirs. It’s like arguing that everyone should drive a van and not understanding why someone might not want one.
Ask most people if they’re okay with the government installing cameras/microphones in their own home. If someone says they’re sincerely okay with that then hopefully we can agree there is a difference between having a preference and not understanding what is in their own best interests. I draw the line further; the same applies for privacy of your own computing.
Get AutoCAD on Linux and I’m there buddy. Some of us need to work.
Autodesk is the only entity who would be able to do that, due to the code being proprietary.
Not impossible to happen, though. Autodesk already has Maya available for Linux.
Obviously there are alternatives like FreeCAD, but alternatives aren’t always an option.
Also, while AutoCAD might not work right now, WINE is getting better rapidly, and, while not guaranteed, it (along with Adobe programs) could theoretically work in the future without them needing to port the software. Of course, the companies porting the software would be the preferred solution here.
I’m personally not a fan of relying on proprietary technology for work, but most people are not in control of what their boss says they have to use, and the concept of proprietary “industry standards” continues to be a thing, partly due to lobbying and giving free copies to educators (Autodesk. Adobe, Apple, Google, and Microsoft are all very guilty of this). Unfortunately, I don’t see that changing soon.
Hell forget about AutoCAD, what about word and EXCEL. now you and Linux dudebros will tell me there are alternatives on Linux like libre office and what not. To them I say this
- Make a document in libreoffice , try to save it as docx and see what says libreoffice, or make a doc in word and adjust formatting, try to open same doc in libre office and see what shit show it becomes
- Hand down no body can beat ms excel, on multiple platforms, the versality is not just complex formulas but functions like xlookup, index match , combined with VBA scripting with formulas that can low-key fight python , power tables are unparalleled, if you can replicate these without A SINGLE COMMAND line input for dumb users like us That would the win.
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Blame Microsoft for not conforming to their own standard. There’s a reason the EU uses ODF instead of the mess that is OOXML. Different versions of MS Office aren’t even fully compatible with each other. Also nowadays, you can use Office 365 in a web browser. For desktop, there is LibreOffice and OnlyOffice, which have okay compatibility. MS Office can also open ODF files, as is legally mandated by the EU, since it would be considered anticompetative if they didn’t.
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I don’t use those functions of Excel, so I can’t comment. Also to be clear, are you asking if you can program without a Terminal? I’m not even sure what the question is. VBA is a proprietary Microsoft-specific scripting language, so of course there won’t be native support for that in non-Windows OSs, although there might be a reverse engineering effort I’m not familiar with.
Blaming Linux for a problem that Microsoft caused and won’t solve due to anticompetative practices is just dumb. Microsoft basically invented the concept of Embrace, Extend, extinguish, and Office is a prime example of that.
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I’m curious what their reason for porting Maya was? That’s really interesting.
Likely because of the use of Linux (and historically UNIX with SGI workstations) in Hollywood for CG artists.
Maybe they are not Linux users, maybe they are Microsoft employees trying to keep you on Windows by making Linux users look obnoxious.
I for one enjoy salty Microsoft tears, just makes me feel better with my choice completely ditching them.
Keep 'em coming.
Literally what? I’m a Linux user bro
It wasn’t directed to you, it is directed to people constantly crying about their choice
Exactly. As a musician many paid music plugins simply don’t work on Linux because of all the installers attached to them. Also, I design with the Adobe suite for my work, also not viable on Linux (I believe?). I would love to use Linux, but for my needs it’s simply a no go.This is what annoys me about all the “just use linux” comments. There are usecases where it’s simply not an option.
I’ve gotten every single Windows VST I’ve used working on Linux with WINE. Some of them require extra work (Serum and anything needing Native Access specifically), but they still work.
I’ve also tried both Ableton and FL Studio in WINE, and they both work fine as well.
Adobe suite is something I don’t have experience with, though.
Ableton working in Wine you say…? Thank you for sharing, as that would be excellent to try! :)
Yeah. I’d still recommend Ableton users try out Bitwig, though, regardless of OS. It’s a fantastic DAW that also happens to have native Linux support.
But yeah, Ableton should work fine with WINE, along with your VSTs. Make sure you use WINEASIO along with JACK. Pipewire works, but I’ve notoced that it eats up more resources than just using JACK directly, similar to using ASIO in Windows.
That’s awesome! Thank you for the rundown, I’ll save this comment for the day that I get to making the jump :) It might be a while until I can, but it would be nice to jump back over to the comfortable Linux environment again :)
No problem. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
Hmm interesting. I’m a Cubase user with many steinberg plugins and some Arturia stuff. When I googled it, I didn’t seem to find much information about Linux support. But maybe I should give it a try. Thanks for sharing!
Can’t hurt! Might run into a speedbump or two where you have to do a DLL override or something, but you might get lucky and not have to do anything.
I haven’t tried Cubase, though.
Agreed, not just plugins its also Ableton Live for me! There is nothing that scratches that for me, bitwig does look promising eventually though. :)
Then on top of that wanting to develop games without learning another game engine (I’m far into a game, and can’t change engine without starting again)
And I wanna play Baldurs Gate 3 again dammit! (To be fair I think that might work and haven’t looked) :) .
I used Linux for 5 years and loved it, have a pi and a degoogled Foss phone as much as possible. I am an ally to it all, but have usecases which dictate Windows … I think it’s not unreasonable to want something to get better without binning 70℅ of why I use my computer. :)
Edit: I just learned this thread, wine might work with Ableton, this is great news :)
I’m gonna keep eating unhealthy food in large quantities, nobody should tell me what to do or what works for me…
Hey, just keep doing whatever you want. Just rest assured that virtually everybody is going to plainly and silently ignore you.
Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.
Install this. You will thank me later.
Purchase licence key
No, thanks.
Open shell?
This is the way.
This is the way
… Coffee costs more than this license.
There are free OS alternatives out there (which I suspect you already use but just want to poop on other’s parade).
I assume that if someone’s already using Windows, a paid OS, they are willing to pay $2 to make it usable.
I prefer if persistent, high-permission code running on my machine is FOSS, and support the devs if I see it’s useful
I prefer it too, but if something works well and saves me time and effort for $2, I don’t make a big deal out of it. I also need to accomplish things other than monkeying around with my computer.
its very reasonable
Thanks. My win11 install is coming up. Looks like I may need this. Bookmarked
It has had such a massive positive effect on my life relative to the price.
There are more ways to make Windows suck less, even open source ones: https://feddit.de/comment/7447632 Of course, pick whatever is best for you, but FOSS is ultimately safer (and free!).
Not open source. Use:
- Open Shell
- brings a normal Start Menu back as well as an optional taskbar in Explorer
- Explorer Patcher
- revives Explorer’s “commented-out code”, bringing back functionality from previous Windows versions: optionally translucent taskbar without blur, seconds display in calendar popup, optionally the weather widget and many many more
- CTT winutil
- installs/updates various free programs for you with one click, one-stop-shop for all kinds of recommended debloat/freedom settings
- MSEdge Redirect
- self-explanatory: all Bing queries from within the OS apps go to your preferred search engine & default browser instead
- Open Shell
I did one better. I installed Linux
Goody for you
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I’ve used them all (probably 20+ different OS’ in my lifetime), and they all have a place. I use Windows, MacOS, and Linux daily, each for what they are good at. Maybe people should use what works best for them?
If it’s not a link to an Ubuntu LiveCD, I’m leaving Lemmy
Come on people I’m joking. You can unclench your butthills
Ditch Ubuntu too. Mint or OpenSuse are very good alternatives.
Ubuntu server is fine relax
With how they keep shoving snaps at everyone? At my work a migration to Debian is starting to be openly pondered.
We do not talk about ubuntu here
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Notepad++
Even reads and formats/highlights code
I mean, it doesn’t matter what you use when the operating system already comes with a built-in keylogger enabled by default.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren’t getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don’t. fucking. care. I don’t even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.
People be like:
tbf I get it. Sometimes you just want to be mad.
But like, it’s Microsoft’s fault.
Or Adobe, Autodesk, Nvidia, etc.
I don’t think this meme applies here. The person who’s mad isn’t the one using Windows. They got mad about a “problem” someone else was having and decided to use it as an excuse to push Linux.
Exactly. The Linux bros are not offering a solution. They are the same people as the “just move” people. Annoying ass trolls.
Linux isn’t a solution if you play competitive multiplayer games, which most people do.
Edit: keep being classy basement trolls, you’re only proving my statements about the shittiness of the linux community with every downvote.
I’m upvoting you because I know what you’re trying to say. Personally I don’t have a lot of time to game anymore but I vote with my wallet and I try to only buy games on steam that are linux native. I have found a lot of great indy games this way and I don’t feel like I’m “missing out”. Still, I get it.
which most people do.
Lolwhut?
Most people who play competitive multiplayer games (a minority of total users) do so on console
“But the controller is an inferior aiming device”
“Yeah and the foot is an inferior ball handling device, but soccer still exists as a game”
Fair, but also depends on which one’s.
~40-45% of them do actually work.I am not sure if most people play competitive multiplayer games
Sounds like something a Bronze leaguer would say
Care to cite sources for that? Haven’t seen people playing “competitive multiplayer games” from most people in a while, now.
Fuck off sealion
Oh, are your gaming statistics hurt?
You probably live in some weird outlier community. 88% of Americans are competitive gamers now.
“most people” = “most teens”. I don’t know any adult that plays competitive multiplayer games other than maybe CSGO.
there are 3 billion people playing videogames, most of them playing casual af shit like candy crush (https://explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers).
About “competitive” multiplayer games: have you tried proton? I myself was sticking with Windows untill i eventually tried it.
Linux is not a solution if you have a skill issue. The longer people have this kind of mindset you have, the longer Microsoft will pretend to be a monopolist, the longer they will behave like total shitheads towards their customers.
Is proton also a work around for easy anti-cheat now?
It literally is. Played Hunt: Showdown and Warthunder with no problems at all
Lol yeah “most people” definitely do not play competitive multiplayer games. Are the other children in your friend group literally the only other humans you’ve ever met?
Your solution isn’t a solution though it’s like saying that the solution to drowning is to set yourself on fire. It’s just a different kind of problem.
No it isn’t.
It’s more like saying: if that guy you hang out with keeps pushing you into the water and you almost drown every time, perhaps you should stop hanging out with that guy.
Of course, that’s not what people who are in an abusive relationship typically want to hear.
“He’s always ready with a life preserver and a towel though”
It’s hardly a big deal, none of what Microsoft has done is really that annoying. Individually they are barely even noteworthy.
Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass to have to go through so Microsoft would have to do something seriously messed up for me to even want to put up with it. I’m not assuming that I could find equivalent programs that even ran on Linux.
That’s exactly the kind of shit abused people say to justify staying with their abusive partner. (“Oh it’s not so bad” - she says with a black eye - “and he’s really sweet normally”)
Yes in the short term it can be painful to leave an abusive person you’ve come to depend upon, but in the long term it’s always the better solution.
Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass.
This is literally how MacOS and long time Linux users feel when switching to Windows.
And how many people are telling Linux users to switch to Windows?
Not many, but you’d be surprised.
Literally abusive relationship cope. LMAO.
And in this case they aren’t even drowning. They have a slightly annoying icon in the corner of their screen.
As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.
Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.
If Linux is not for you that’s understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it’s devolving to pure clique shit talking.
If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.
The Microsoft company is not happy with me–that’s okay, I’ll still keep downloading patches for that garbage.
Or how about
- You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
- Even when wine is installed , lot of programs won’t run in wine
- You cannot easily find where the program is installed like you can in windows
- You attach a external disk but some apps won’t see it mounted making it Impossible to explore in their file picker , not all but some
- There is almost huge lack of programs , for which there is huge possibility that a windows program exists.
- There is constant need to use terminal for lot of things for which you can’t a program see point 4.
I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.
All but one of your points here appear to be your lack of understanding Linux and/or user error. Point 4 (2) is understandable due to Windows just being the default and most popular choice.
Even point 4 is something I have never experienced, and is probably also lack of understanding.
A filesystem is either mounted or it isn’t. Mounted for one program but not for another doesn’t exist. If they don’t see it in the filepicker, they probably just don’t know the mount point.
Point 4 is listed twice in the comment. So I used “4 (2)” to point out what I was responding to. The second point 4.
And that’s exactly the fucking point. It’s a terrible idea to tell people to switch. Cause they don’t understand it.
That’s not a very strong argument.
When you started a job, did you understand it all? When you first started using Windows, Android or iOS, did you understand it all? No you didn’t. As with anything you’ve never used or done before, you won’t understand the ins and outs or know what to do in many situations. You learn about them. I certainly didn’t know much about Linux when I started using it. In an IT environment, I had to learn. I work with Windows and Linux on a daily basis. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I use both on my personal devices.
You wanna know what my job pays me to do? Create and edit Visual Studio solutions. Checkmate atheists.
No. But starting a job pays me. Changing OS over a minor feature is a completely insane waste of my time. You are aware of the context of this post right??
- You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
For point 2, that is true and improving. Always do some research about program compatibility before completely changing your computer’s OS.
For point 3. Programs are generally installed in
/usr/binand~/.var/appfor Flatpaks (analogous to MS Store). Much easier than finding where MS store apps are installed.Never come across point 4, so I can’t dismiss it.
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As with 2, depends on your usecase
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GNOME Disk manager (comes with Fedora and Ubuntu) has options to mount drives to arbitrary locations if needed.
I understand your argument but making points like these don’t really contribute to the discussion.
Why is micro shit even the first choice? Go ChromeOS or something cool. Smh
Because MS puts work into backwards compatibility, so the business who paid someone to write an app for them 30 years ago can still use it today on a Win11 box. No shot of that happening on macOS, who has deprecated PowerPC and 32-bit support, and Linux is just too much of a wildcard.
I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.
Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.
Complaining about Linux and Linux users happens in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.
As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something “shoving down our throats”. People talking about someone you don’t care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn’t justify that level of outrage.
Lol this is a thread that was started because of a minor cosmetic windows issue, where the proposed solution in the original post is to switch to Linux.
It’s Linux users shitting on Windows to begin with… With the response being essentially “Linux doesn’t meet my needs”.
I used to think evangelicals were bad, but this is a whole new level…
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Well maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is to completely switch operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.
I guess people downvoting you are thinking of Brother printers, AMD graphics cards and Intel WiFi cards. Sure, it’s great when you have the right hardware, but what if you don’t. I’ve banged my head against Optimus and Broadcom, until I learned to be extra picky when buying a laptop.
Ah yes notoriously flakey hardware support. Like Microsoft doesn’t used it to power their entire cloud platform. The hardware support argument is dying tbh used to be true about 20 years ago
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
Maybe try another distro?
Also I’m curious. What distro were you testing with?
The last time I tested the waters it was with Debian, Mint, and Ubuntu. Each one had some kind of issue on my system that made me give up.
I usually check in once a year or so to see if things have improved.
These are all Debian based. Debian is notorious for using old kernels and spotty hardware support. I had similar issues trying to install Ubuntu on a new-ish PC recently. Fedora worked like a charm though.
I was tempted to try Nobara since it was a gaming pc but I was discouraged by opinions from the community telling me it was not exactly the best idea.
Next time I might go for Bluefin though. It’s based on Fedora Silverblue (immutable OS) and I’ve heard great things about it. Apparently also has GPU drivers for NVIDIA baked-in, which I need.
Sounds interesting enough to give it another shot when I have some time.
That’s really weird. What kind of hardware have you got?
It’s nothing crazy. All built within the last 3 years. I know the biggest issue is caused by having an Nvidia card. I can get the exact specs for you once I get home.
Maybe suggest a solution instead of a fucking entire new OS. It’s like the “just move” people.
‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.
OK well if you’re looking for the actual solution to the problem brought up in this thread… here: https://i.imgur.com/nHEcFG2r.png
When “this lemon is too sour” is the problem, maybe “here, try this orange” is the solution. Can you imagine responding like “No! People are always talking about oranges! I’m sick of it and won’t try one!” Ridiculous…
Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.
Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.
Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.
Agreed, just glance at the linked Reddit thread and it’s refreshing how little Linux is mentioned. I’m really tired of seeing it (and related FOSS circlejerking) on every vaguely related Lemmy thread and I suspect that’s where most of the “Linux bashing” is coming from, we’re just sick of it.
“or the screen brightness not dimming”
This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn’t work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I’ve had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop
I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn’t mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)
How much more practical it is to complain about users of a different system than the one the thread is about? It got to a point people are doing this preemptively even.
Lol holy persecution complex, batman… This is a thread shitting on Windows.
You’d think but here we have your annoying ass throwing insults at someone you think uses Linux.
I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.
It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.
Fuck linux, the’ve had 30 years to make a consumer grade product but NoooOOooo all the devs spend their energy making 50 different weakly compatible distros that no one needs.
I’ll say it again, fuck linux. Fuck linux and its shitty community of elitist basement trolls.
Are you ok?
No one appreciates concern trolling
Maybe the mods wouldn’t be an asshole to you if you didn’t act like one yourself
They started it, and I’m not backing down.
Windows Key+D
Press it again to restore all apps to foreground.
What’s the shortcut to remove the data-harvesting, power-sucking leech that is Copilot?
The power button
Hold on, just gotta do a quick update first. Just one sec
Tron does a decent job of scrubbing it
If I wanted to memorize a bunch of random shortcuts and gestures to do basic tasks I’d use MacOS.
I just got a Mac for work. The hotkeys are definitely worse
After using both (windows personal , Mac work) , I personally find the hot keys more intuitive in some areas and worse in others. Command being the requirement for a lot of shortcuts makes it easier , but stuff like show desktop or lock were annoying until more recent versions.
My point was that MacOS requires you to remember a bunch of shortcuts for basic things that Windows handles naturally. Like want to know what Windows you have open? On Windows you can tell that fromd the taskbar, on MacOS you have to remember a shortcut.
That’s fair. The dots under the application in the dock let you know what is open. I find expose easier to use because you can see them all at once like you can do on windows. I only look at the dock to see what’s open on windows, and I alway group them which is probably why the Mac setup works for me
im meant to use a Macbook for work. I don’t. I sign into it whenever they complain I haven’t signed into it and go straight back to using my old computer I formatted for work. it doesn’t even support two screens!
Mx series MacBooks are a non starter for work since they only support a single external monitor like it’s 2002.
Even the Mx Pro series MacBooks don’t support Multi Stream Transport, so are limited to only outputting two displays.
I miss Windows.
Bro you just need 6 for 99% of the cases
- Alt F4
- Ctrl C / V
- Win D
- Ctrl alt Del
- Alt tab
The Win+X menu is the bomb.
Also see Win+E and ctrl+w
Win+V / Win+Shift+V / Ctrl+Shift+V for text manipulation
Win+[1–9] to launch apps or alt+space (might require powertools)
win+ctrl+d win+ctrl+[⬅️/➡️] for VDs
You only listed 5 ;)
I put ctrl C and ctrl V on the same line but I counted them as 2 ;)
And until a day ago, I only had to remember 5
Yeah, I wish I never had to use a mouse. Only serves to slow things down. Obviously, gaming, necessary, but anything productive, taking your hands off the keyboard is a waste.
I am not a programmer, either. Using Excel and Word are secondary functions in my job, basically administrative, making invoices, record keeping, but they function so much better with your hands on keyboard. Alt menus for the office suite are time savers. And the stupid expensive bullshit proprietary software I use for my work is basically built to use hotkeys.
Just press windows+d bro.
I forgot that the button exists.
Win+d also redirects to copilot
I hope that’s a joke or else I’m gonna be so mad
Nah, obviously you launch Copilot with Ctrl+C.
So you’re just out here trying to start a riot, eh?
No you do that with Win+R.
and not Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Win+T
Obviously it’s right mouse button for quick access
Or Win+m
I purposefully tear every windows key of my keyboards with a pair of needlenose the moment I unbox them.
Thankfully my daily driver keyboard is too old to have one.
They’re signaling that you don’t need a desktop anymore, only chat bot. Your device will be a kiosk where you ask Microsoft for favours.
Linux exists people, without copilot using your information for training data and if you game, has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming. The only thing I use Windows for is GeForce now as the windows and Mac apps are the only way for me to play 1440p 120fps with their service.
Good beginner distros: pop_os, Ubuntu, Linux mint, Nobara or fedora, Garuda, Manjaro, solus, zorin. The possibilities are really endless. Just take your pick, make a bootable USB and try it out.
has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming.
It quite ridiculous how far it has come. I remember trying out ubuntu years ago and being incredibly disappointed with how few games were compatible. Nowadays I’m running a dual boot LMDE/Win 10. Probably 80% of my games work right out of the box, and the other 20% I can just switch over within a minute or so.
I am still a little disappointed at the lack of mod manager compatibility for some games, but it no longer feels like a deal breaker for me.
Idk which games you’re referring to, but I (somehow) used steam tinker launcher to do modding on fallout new vegas
The two big ones as of late for me has been rounds, valheim, and lethal company, all of which are on r2modman, but r2modman does something funky on linux that makes games crash immediately after trying to launch them. Probably solvable, but not easily enough for me to go through the trouble.
Linux isn’t for mainstream users yet. It wasn’t when I tried switching to it several years back, it isn’t now.
I tried Zorin recently, UI looked absolutely beautiful so I wanted to try and get into it on my laptop.
Only issue is, the trackpad scroll speed was too fast. I went into settings to try and slow this down. No dice, this option just want available. I tried googling, which led me to some stackexchange posts, which I tried to use to solve the issue by changing xinput or something device parameters.
I tried for maybe 15 mins to do this without success. This kinda stuff is why Linux is not ready for the masses yet. I shouldn’t have to touch the command line for something like this. On windows I could have changed this without googling anything or touching the cli.
I know this is just one thing, but it’s representative of my other experiences with Linux in general. Things seem to have improved since several years ago (needed terminal to even get touchscreen working in Firefox), bit it’s just not there yet.
I really do want to switch to Linux, but I don’t want my computer os to be a hobby project that I have to sink time into to keep functional, I need it to be a tool that lets me get work done with minimal roadblocks.
I’ve never in my entire time of using a modern Linux distro have ever had to change scrolling speeds with a terminal…that’s just utter bullshit.
Just because you haven’t had a particular problem doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or can’t happen.
Well I listened to all the people hyping up Linux and tried pop os, literally nothing works right, it’s unusable lol. First time I tried to install it it straight up failed, worked on the second try. My hdr monitor isn’t supported apparently and looked dim no matter what I did. Had to fiddle with the display settings for a while to get scaling to work right so I could read text on the higher resolution monitor and fonts looked like ass anyways on the 1080p one. The messenger I use didn’t get a network connection until it crashed and restarted without OpenGL (what?). And the system scaling didn’t work in steam anyways so all the text was like 8px. After all that fun I can’t imagine how bad windows would need to get for me to switch to this garbage
Yeah you’re full of shit, sorry but I’ve never heard of any of these issues happening. The only thing I can think of is you used the wrong ISO that wasn’t for Nvidia or something. Also, you want HDR then use KDE, so you want something like KDE Neon or Kubuntu. As for fonts looking like shit, again, it’s all down to your drivers would be my guess, meaning you’re the one who downloaded the wrong ISO for pop_os. I’m running an all AMD build, maybe you should look into that I guess if you literally can’t click install on the hardware drivers applet in any modern Linux distro.
If you use nvidia, make sure to choose a distro that deals with their drivers by default. I havent manage to get Nvidia drivers and ingame cutscenes to work on Fedora, but after switching to Nobara all is well now. (And switching to KDE on X11, since wayland was freezing occasionally and some apps wouldnt work)
Aside from HDR, I still havent managed to get HDR working and its starting to look like it wont really be possible. And Unity. Unity simply doesnt work both in a VM and on Linux, so I annoyongly still have to dualboot.
Other than that, ive switched around two months ago, and aside from the first pains caused by me choosing Fedora instead of Nobara, everything mostly works without issues.
My latest attempts at using Linux on my desktop started with Nobara. It was good but some updates borked my install. I’ve been using Bazzite, an atomic OS, and it has been rock solid.
HDR support is supposedly fixed on kde and should be getting fixed in most other distros soon supposedly.
Unity worked for me on pop os after some fiddling and installing of dependencies, but it didn’t fully work. There was a bunch of tools (like animation keyframes) which just didn’t display correctly for me though. Checking out the source code of one the util did a check to see whether it was running on windows or Mac, then exited if it wasn’t either of those. Would be good to run it via proton if possible so we get full support without the Devs needing to write tons of code to support a small percentage of users. That experience is pretty common when running Linux as your main, but the other benefits make up for it.
2024 will be the first year I use linux exclusively on my desktop. Bazzite has been amazing.
I’m so glad I switched to linux
Typical capitalist race to the bottom to appease investors with short term decision making
Linux. You’ll be glad you did.
Free. Easy to install. Never gets viruses. Never crashes. Rock solid.
Runs good on old machines. Runs like lightning on new machines.
I’ve installed it for 3 old ladies (3 separate installs). They like its simplicity and low-bullshit.
I personally use Debian with a Mate desktop.
Im so glad i moved away from windows ages ago.
The last 10 years if Windows have been so agressively anti-user that I can’t comprehend anyone chooses Windows unless they need it for work.
And most are stuck in Windows at work because IT is incompetent dinosaurs.
IT guy here, the choice of what to ship on the corporate desktops/laptops is a lot more naunced than that.
Are there users in the organization that use Excel heavily? Other windows-only software heavily? If the answer is yes then you’re looking at complicating support instantly because now you have 2 separate fleets of workstations that each require different tooling to manage and you either have to have a helpdesk that can be trained to handle questions for both or have different teams to handle each which is more opportunities for helpdesk requests to be miscommunicated, lost, etc. and adds some time to the ticking process. You also have to decide how users are selected for which they get. If you leave it up to the users they’ll all choose what they’re used to and you’ll just get a handful of weirdos which make the cost of allowing it likely higher than it’s worth. But if you force it on people by team you run the risk of someone having dual roles or covering duties and being largely hamstrung when they can’t use the windows software needed for the other role. Does this create a 2 tier system where users given the Linux workstations have less upward mobility? Or are you potentially creating future hassle where your Linux users will randomly have to come to IT to have their computer switched because they gained a duty that requires Windows software (which is a ton of lost productivity while they get things set how they like)
You also have to now maintain 2 sets of management tooling since generally Active Directory and Linux tend to be a pain to mix. This also means 2 different streams of vulnerability tracking and patch tracking, and 2 different streams of testing if you hold back updates for testing before deployment. And 2 different attack surfaces to keep secure for audits and red teams.
But let’s suppose you find that absolutely everybody in your organization can be moved to Linux as nobody uses software that won’t work on Linux natively. Awesome this is the best case scenario for Linux workstations in the office. What are the long term ramifications? Are you potentially limiting your options for vendors or contracts your organization can take on? Are some of your employees working at reduced productivity potential because they aren’t using the best tool for the job?
These are the considerations that have to be made, and argued politically for Linux to be deployed to user workstations in the office. Extremely similar conversations have historically had to happen (and continue to have to happen!) within IT departments to move things away from Windows Server. A bank I worked at just a year ago was so heavily invested in the Windows server ecosystem that they had Windows server in places it really shouldn’t have been and the choice to use Windows Server actually was a hindrance.
I think in the long run it has a chance. Linux has gotten so much better on the desktop in just the last 5 years, plus with the move to webapps across the board (not to mention kids in school right now learning on ipads and Chromebooks and never touching a Windows machine) I’m sure the decision will slowly get easier and easier, but right now, there’s very limited opportunities to make Linux workstations happen in a big way in the corporate world, and I don’t forsee that changing in the next 5 years
Thank you for the detailed point of view. I definitely feel like I’m allowed to do pretty much anything at work while windows and mac users are much more managed by IT.
Two things keep Windows around. Office/Exchange and remote management. Nothing really works that well in any other ecosystem.
As someone who works in IT…my Windows Desktop and Linux Desktop guys are pretty good. Linux desktop guys are chill as hell and got a legit greybeard to fall back on. My windows desktop guys are brilliant, masters of their crafts.
Unfortunately my windows server team is stretched far too thin and my Linux server team are morons.
But I digress.
The reason why the actual UX sucks isn’t their fault, it’s because of the security team, who impose a lot of restrictions above and beyond what we need for regulatory reasons. But that’s what happens when their most technical guy is a perfectionist and their manager is more politician than technician.
I‘m primarily a mac guy and I would love to ditch Windows on my PC for Linux. However, gaming support still isn’t quite where I‚d need it to be (HDR support especially). Also, I have a 20y/o film scanner and to use it with linux or macOS I‘d need to buy a third party scanner driver software for 100€ while on windows the original software (made for XP) still works…
It’s a trade-off that works for many. Not much you and I can do about it, even if it’s frustrating.
